Path: csiph.com!news.swapon.de!news.in-chemnitz.de!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.bofh.team!paganini.bofh.team!not-for-mail From: Francois LE COAT Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: [video] ATARI ST at CES'85 Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:30:11 +0100 Organization: To protect and to server Message-ID: References: <711117282@f171.n3.z21.fsxnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 09:30:11 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: paganini.bofh.team; logging-data="578308"; posting-host="nkv4cEkXG/w52cOuNvIVqQ.user.paganini.bofh.team"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@bofh.team"; posting-account="9dIQLXBM7WM9KzA+yjdR4A"; User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:128.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/128.0 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.9.3 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.atari.st:2150 Hi, Chris Ridd writes: > Francois LE COAT wrote: >>>> Do you know the status of ARAnyM developments? There's only one >>>> developer for the macOS target, and the support of Apple Silicon is >>>> hardly working, though the JIT compiler is not supported yet. Before= >>>> thinking about an iOS support, there's a lot to be done with macOS! >>> >>> Of course I do, and it does look a bit of a mess. If your "one=20 >>> developer for the macOS target" is Philipp Donze, then he doesn't=20 >>> upstream his changes :-( >> >> Well the mess is not from developers, but from GitHub that is a >> Microsoft technology. I don't understand anything to GitHub, that >> is rather intended to Windows developers exclusively, I suspect. >=20 > I'm not sure. I don't perceive a Windows bias in Github, after all it=20 > was used for open source projects for a very long time before Microsoft= =20 > bought GitHub. >=20 >>> Having said that, I did build the MacAranym-Latest.xcodeproj a while = >>> ago, create a small improvement to the screenshot code, and I do run = >>> it on an M1. The "main" MacAranym.xcodeproj is no longer buildable on= =20 >>> any modern Mac/Xcode. >> >> That's what we're talking. For instance for the Hatari projects, there= 's >> releases, and developments. But for ARAnyM it's not the case, at all. >> If there was a favorite developments platform, like the ATARI VCS, tha= t >> would make things easier. x86 ARAnyM target is the most accomplished, >> for Windows, macOS and GNU/Linux. For ARM all is rather experimental. >> Among GitHub, all CPU targets, the situation for devels is inextricabl= e. >> Specially for old software like ARAnyM, that is in delicate situation.= >> It seems to me that peoples are discouraged with the GitHub complexity= =2E >=20 > Perhaps, but honestly it just looks like git to me with their own style= =20 > of pull requests. Nothing outrageously different here. Do you have any = > concrete examples of "the situation for devels is inextricable"=20 > especially regarding GitHub? Yes. Will I have to pay developers to obtain macOS or Windows binaries? I remind you that we're speaking of *free software* hosted on GitHub. All would be simpler, if the prioritized devel platform was ATARI VCS! Regards, --=20 Fran=E7ois LE COAT Author of Eureka 2.12 (2D Graph Describer, 3D Modeller) https://eureka.atari.org/