Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Andrew Roughan Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: Magic smoke! Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2024 23:32:20 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <05KBO.3178$UZUa.2512@fx47.iad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2024 01:32:21 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="2bf1967e527b0c8c4710e0b3bce13084"; logging-data="3705578"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19xxC6UK26/PTxKWFOFiNq0pmd0c8Kv08M=" User-Agent: NewsTap/5.5 (iPhone/iPod Touch) Cancel-Lock: sha1:NCdB/GEyzGle3SfYWKJ9nrZQOUg= sha1:crxHoK27edGNJOb7LyHc5V0nv3k= Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.apple2:49023 Scott Alfter wrote: > In article , > D Finnigan wrote: >> phigan wrote: >>> On 2024-08-26, D Finnigan wrote: >>>> >>>> if I have an extra capacitor. I think the last machine I had to replace was >>>> a Mac 512K. I may have ordered an extra then. >>> >>> Are there some known people or places that one can send Apple2 and >>> classic Macintosh units to for re-capping? >> >> The Apple II isn't notorious for failing capacitors (except for this one in >> the power supply!), so I don't know of any services for this kind of work. >> I have heard of places for older Macintosh models, but I haven't used any of >> them. There were some people selling capacitor kits for Macs too, which >> could save some time as long as you did the work yourself. > > I can think of only two classes of devices where recapping is likely to fix > a problem: > > 1) Computer equipment (and maybe other electronics more generally) of a > certain age that was built with counterfeit electrolytic capacitors > that tended to bulge, leak, and fail: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague > > Apple IIs (and 68K Macs, while we're at it) predate this issue by several > years. > > 2) Really old devices (mostly running on vacuum tubes instead of solid-state > devices) that used wax- or plastic-covered paper capacitors in which > failure of the wax covering would cause the paper dielectric to absorb > moisture, altering its properties. > The Wikipedia article you cited acknowledges there are other causes for capacitors to fail than counterfeit electrolyte. One being that they can dry out over time. I stored a IIgs keyboard in my roof space (which gets hot in summer) and it didn’t work after several years. After a lot of troubleshooting and getting nowhere the caps were replaced as a what-if and it now works. Regards Andrew