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On Sunday, September 3, 2017 at 10:59:41 AM UTC-5, roger....@gmail.com wrote:
> There is little value in trying to debate with fanatics.
> 
> So this reply is for those who need to kill some time. :-)
> 
> On Friday, September 1, 2017 at 8:14:36 PM UTC-5, Du Hast wrote:
> > I've been using a //gs since about 1992, and the issues listed are easily(sort of) now to rectify.
> 
> The IIgs was discontinued in that year.
> 
> It's unimportant that the issues can be resolved now. It's important that they can be resolved while the //gs was being produced.
> 
> > It is a slow machine in 16 bit mode without an accelerator, but I had a Transwarp from the beginning.  It makes it tolerable.
> > 
> > I got a sound card, and it opens the door to a whole new world of applications and creativity with digitizing sounds.  (Not easily done on a II)
> > 
> > I had a SCSI card, and GS/OS with a HD is just peachy.
> 
> Buying a computer, an accelerator, a hard drive and controller and an additional card for sound is not going to help sell more of that computer.
> 
> > The other concerns aren't really end user things except for graphics, and they  are decent for the time.
> 
> If developers are having trouble, the users are the most affected.
> 
> I have no idea how the //gs graphics can be described as "decent for the time."
> 
> Generally the 1982 Commodore 64 outclasses Apple II graphics. One of IBM's last significant contributions to the PC architecture was VGA (640x480 256 colors), which even Apple adopted in 1989's Mac IIci. (VGA also spelled doom for the Amiga and Atari ST.)
> 
> > .. After 1997 the innerwebs is what made me stop using it. ...
> 
> I completely agree with that. The internet absolutely killed the Apple II family (VGA being ubiquitous by then was also a significant factor).
> 
> > In short it is an EXTREMELY compelling machine.  ...
> 
> I would hope after all those upgrades it would be compelling!
> 
> The primary reason why I find the //gs useful today is its RGB output. ADB is also convenient, allowing a choice of keyboards - though the //gs keyboard is hard to beat for a) the Control key being in the right place and b) its size.

Well, the issues were resolved back when the computer was being made, albeit they were a little pricey.  More easily today because they are somewhat cheaper.

I remember in 1986, when the //gs came out, you still had buy HD, sound cards, possibly a math coprocessor for IBM's, yet they still sold.

So you're saying that because the //gs didn't have VGA, which was developed after it was designed and built, that the //gs graphics weren't good for the time?  Really?

Developers having trouble with segmented architecture?  The end user was suffering?  The applications existed, the games may have been lacking but that was mostly because of speed.

You're right, with the upgrades it is compelling, and that's what makes it the worthy successor.  You CAN upgrade it.  I can install and use today's technology in my 30+ year old computer and have it DO something.  I can fire up Appleworks GS or Graphicwriter and use a font designed yesterday and laser print it out, all while seeing it WYSIWYG.  USB stick?  Yep.  Ethernet?  Yep.  Whatever comes out 10 years from now.  Yep.

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