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Re: telnetd for GNO?

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andrew.roughan wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016 at 7:47:06 AM UTC+11, D Finnigan wrote:
>> Yes, I agree. It would be incredibly shortsighted not to write the
>> library
>> as a drop-in replacement for the Marinetti tool.
>> 
>> The measure of success is that you delete Marinetti from your system,
>> install this new library, and you can use Spectrum Internet Suite and
>> SAFE2
>> as if nothing had changed.
> 
> I don't see why a complete replacement of Marinetti would be necessary.
> The
> Init calls that are currently being made to the TCP, ICMP, IP and UDP
> handlers could be extended to check for a Link Layer that knows about
> those
> protocols and to call the LL directly instead of Marinetti's
> implementation.

OK, that's one way to do it.


> 
> If there is something that Marinetti does not do that you want it to do
> then please raise a Feature Request ticket on Sourceforge.
> 
>> Furthermore, it's an incomplete implementation of some of the protocols,
>> such as IP. Did you know that Marinetti has no method for routing IP
>> datagrams to either a host on the local link or to a gateway? That's
>> because
>> when Richard Bennett wrote the original thing in the 1990s, he assumed a
>> single connection at the other end of the IIgs. It means that link layers
>> such as the LanceGS (the first one) have had to write their own IP
>> routing
>> algorithm, as well as their own ARP implementation and DHCP client too.
> 
> I have a few issues with with the above, but again, raise a feature
> request
> if you want an improvement to be made.

I believe that's factually correct, and I have issues with it too. Link
layer implementers shouldn't have to write all that stuff in their driver.
It should be in Marinetti.

I found a couple of feature requests that were opened about 10 years ago,
that seem similar to what I'm saying. Have these requests been implemented?

#16 Common Link Layer for ethernet ARP/DHCP APIs
https://sourceforge.net/p/marinetti/feature-requests/16/

#15 Support packet notification from Link Layer
https://sourceforge.net/p/marinetti/feature-requests/15/


> 
>> Who is using other connection methods besides the Uthernet or Uthernet
>> II?
>> Raise your hands, people.
> 
> Tony Diaz uses the MacIP LL extensively and there are many users of
> emulators that use LLs for their emulators.
> 

Agreed.


> 
> With 4MB of RAM as a common installation, lack of RAM is not a problem
> that
> I have been made aware of.

Perhaps not, but who would argue against saving RAM on the Apple II?


> 
> Any 'drop-in replacement' for Marinetti would likely have its own issues
> that would need to be ironed out.

Perhaps so, but it would be a much smaller code footprint, consisting of a
DHCP client, DNS resolver, and wrapper for the W5100's sockets
implementation.


> 
> Marinetti is open-source - help make it better.

It would be nice if the current source were committed to the public
repository on SF.

-- 
]DF$
The Marina IP stack for Apple II--
http://marina.a2hq.com/

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