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On 2024-07-20 16:02:59 +0200, Bozo User said:

> On 2022-04-04, cbusylol <shinnokxz@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 4, 2021 at 2:45:40 AM UTC-6, Pinku Basudei wrote:
>>> On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 03:03:57 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Jake Envelopes <approximatecybe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, 4 September 1994 at 23:37:17 UTC+1, Maxwell Daymon wrote:
>>>>> George Sanderson (aiss...@kraken.itc.gu.edu.au) wrote:
>>>>> : [response from Id software]
>>>>> : From jo...@idcube.idsoftware.com Sun Sep 4 02:52 EST 1994
>>>>> : From: John Carmack <jo...@idcube.idsoftware.com>
>>>>> : Date: Sat, 3 Sep 94 11:50:23 -0600
>>>>> : To: G.San...@ais.gu.edu.au
>>>>> : Subject: amiga doom
>>>>> : The amiga is not powerfull enough to run DOOM. It takes the full
>>>>> : speed of a 68040 to play the game properly even if you have a chunky
>>>>> : pixel mode in hardware. Having to convert to bit planes would kill
>>>>> : it even on the fastest amiga hardware, not to mention the effect it
>>>>> : would have on the majority of the amiga base.
>>>>> What a joke! The 68040 is EASILY as capable as any 486 out there, and the
>>>>> Amiga has additional hardware support. Furthermore, there ARE Spectrum,
>>>>> Piccolo, Picasso II, Merlin, Rainbow II, Rainbow III, owners out there too.
>>>>> My dealer says it's very difficult to get Picasso II's anymore because
>>>>> his distributer is constantly selling out. Always on backorder.
>>>>> --
>>>>> //
>>>>> // Maxwell Daymon
>>>>> \\ // mda...@rmii.com
>>>>> \X/
>>>> 
>>>> Your comments didn't age well, did they Max? I am now writing from the 
>>>> far future: November 1st 2021. 27 years after you wrote your comment, 
>>>> and 27 years of Amiga fans bawling about how easily Doom could be 
>>>> written for the Amiga and how much better than the PC version it would 
>>>> be because of how much more powerful was the Amiga (allegedly, never 
>>>> substantiated, contradicted by actual performance data). Even now there 
>>>> is Still no competing product for the Amiga. Not even with all those 
>>>> demo writers spending the intervening years trying to speed up Amiga 
>>>> graphics routines. Carmack was right. Being the original author of Doom 
>>>> he is also a far more educated and technically astute commentator on 
>>>> the issue than you are. Accept it: He was telling the truth. The fact 
>>>> you don't like it is irrelevant. Never in any issue is there a bigger 
>>>> case of "feelings over facts" than among the Amiga fan base. Doom was a 
>>>> final headshot to Amiga illusions, and still is. All there is left is 
>>>> the Zombie fan base. The stake through the heart is there is now no 
>>>> point in reviving the Amiga because there is nothing left to its name 
>>>> worthy of reviving.
>>>> 
>>>> Let's all come back in December 2023 and celebrate the 30 empty years 
>>>> of a "still nope" lack of anything on the Amiga that truly competes 
>>>> with Doom.
>>> You have clearly not been keeping up with current events :D
>>> http://www.indieretronews.com/2021/09/dread-wip-doom-clone-on-amiga-500-gets.html 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>> / Pinku
>> 
>> People have programmed Doom on Microwaves and pregnancy tests. It was 
>> always going to be if there is a will there's a way thing. I think iD 
>> software in the day saw no commercial need to present on the Amiga, 
>> which was really sort of just thriving in Europe at the time but not 
>> much in the states
> 
> No, not on pregnancy tests, that was some sort of RDP/VNC. For Doom you 
> either need an ARMv5 machine or a 386. Forget running it well on a m68k 
> Amiga.

But Doom and the likes run actually pretty decent on 68030 & 68040 
Macintosh computers. And, lord knows, they are the machines with the 
probably worst architecture for this kind of thing. Given capable 
developers, the Amiga could have done this much better. I say that as a 
die-hard Macintosh fan ever since 1991. 

That said, time to get back to play some Wolfenstein 3D and Pathways 
into Darkness on my 68k Macintosh :-)

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    Re: Id Software (Doom) responds! cbusylol <shinnokxz@gmail.com> - 2022-04-03 23:48 -0700
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