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  Getting close to raspberry pi time Folderol <folderol@ukfsn.org> - 2012-01-11 21:39 +0000
    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Martin Hansen <mhh@shrewsbury.org.uk> - 2012-01-12 01:11 -0800
      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-12 15:26 +0000
      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Chris Evans <chris@cjemicros.co.uk> - 2012-01-12 16:03 +0000
        Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Mark Beerling <invalid@online.de> - 2012-01-12 17:57 +0100
          Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2012-01-14 17:37 +0000
            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-14 21:02 +0000
              Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-15 02:51 +0100
                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-15 02:44 +0000
                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-15 15:45 +0100
                    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-15 17:48 +0000
                      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-16 06:24 +0100
                        Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-16 08:43 +0000
                          Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-16 19:48 +0100
                            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-16 19:52 +0000
                            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-16 20:37 +0000
                              Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 07:38 +0100
                                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 08:33 +0000
                                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-17 10:20 +0000
                                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 11:47 +0000
                                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> - 2012-01-17 20:11 +0000
                                    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 21:17 +0000
                                    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 23:10 +0000
                                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-17 10:23 +0000
                                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Fred Bambrough <fred@[127.0.0.1]> - 2012-01-17 11:32 +0000
                                Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 11:52 +0000
                                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-17 12:18 +0000
                                    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 22:54 +0000
                                      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-18 10:16 +0000
                                        Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Bryn Evans <d@a.invalid> - 2012-01-18 14:42 +0000
                  Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-17 12:31 +0000
                    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-17 23:04 +0000
                      Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-18 09:28 +0000
                        Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 12:41 +0000
                          Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> - 2012-01-18 15:50 +0000
                            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 21:10 +0000
                            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> - 2012-01-18 23:54 +0000
                            Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> - 2012-01-21 18:05 +0000
                              Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time (OT) Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-21 18:55 +0000
                              Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time M Harding <riscos@mdharding.org.uk> - 2012-01-21 20:22 +0000
    Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time "Ste (news)" <steve@revi11.plus.com> - 2012-01-14 17:42 +0000

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#3356

In message <5252e11dc2dave@triffid.co.uk>
          Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Where does this leave democracy...

Probably as the least worst of the known alternatives.

Dave

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#3357

In article <04f3205352.davehigton@dsl.pipex.com>,
   Dave Higton <davehigton@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> In message <5252e11dc2dave@triffid.co.uk>
>           Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > Where does this leave democracy...

> Probably as the least worst of the known alternatives.

> Dave

Thank you very much, but I did NOT write that.

The attribution should go to Rick.

My reply to Rick's "Where does this leave democracy..." 
Was...

In a bit of a hole, but at least we do have a democracy unlike a lot of
other places we see on the box.

Dave

-- 

Dave Triffid

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#3360

Dave Higton wrote:

>> Where does this leave democracy...
> Probably as the least worst of the known alternatives.

Have /you/ heard of Georgism/Geoism ?

 If I were to re-write this book, [Brave New World] I would
 offer a third alternative - the possibility of sanity - Economics
 would be decentralist and Henry Georgian. - Aldous Huxley

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3347

In article <4f151779$0$5700$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
   Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Seriously though - The People should decide, but we've
> shown that The People cannot be relied upon to make the
> correct decision, working by emotions or, as Russell
> mentioned, who-knows-who rather than anything resembling
> functional logic.

The ironic thing about this is that while the woman said she
would vote for the party for which we were canvassing, on
the grounds that she had seen Alison's husband on TV,
Alison's husband refused to come out with us on the grounds
that the party we were supporting was far too right wing
(and no, it was not the Tories, nor the BNP, nor the SNP,
nor even the LibDems).

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#3349

In message <5252eb280esee.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>
     Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:

> In article <4f151779$0$5700$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>,
>    Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Seriously though - The People should decide, but we've
> > shown that The People cannot be relied upon to make the
> > correct decision, working by emotions or, as Russell
> > mentioned, who-knows-who rather than anything resembling
> > functional logic.
> 
> The ironic thing about this is that while the woman said she
> would vote for the party for which we were canvassing, on
> the grounds that she had seen Alison's husband on TV,
> Alison's husband refused to come out with us on the grounds
> that the party we were supporting was far too right wing
> (and no, it was not the Tories, nor the BNP, nor the SNP,
> nor even the LibDems).

If you mean what I think you mean, I'm with Alison's husband. :-)

-- 
Fred

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#3350

Rick Murray wrote:
> Where does this leave democracy?
> This is probably something politicians are *supposed* to do, but - as was
> to be expected - it all get a bit corrupted. Maybe rather than fixing The
> People, or The Question, it is The System itself that needs fixing?
> Certainly one that holds the government to greater accountability to the
> people it represents would be a good start.

Yes - how would you go about this?
(Plato didn't rate Democracy very highly!)

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3352

In article <gemini.4f1560fc000ecea60204%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>,
   SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Rick Murray wrote:
> > Where does this leave democracy? This is probably something
> > politicians are *supposed* to do, but - as was to be expected -
> > it all get a bit corrupted. Maybe rather than fixing The People,
> > or The Question, it is The System itself that needs fixing?
> > Certainly one that holds the government to greater accountability
> > to the people it represents would be a good start.

> Yes - how would you go about this? (Plato didn't rate Democracy
> very highly!)

Yet there are quite a few Democratic Republics where the inhabitants
vote overwhelmingly (about 99.99 per cent) in favour of their
governments.     8-)

Personally I like the joke made, I think, by Radek:
What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?
The difference is, that under Capitalism man exploits man; whereas
under Communism it's the other way round.

Substitute almost any Party for Capitalism or Communism.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#3359

M Harding wrote:
> I like the joke made, I think, by Radek:
> What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?
> under Capitalism man exploits man;
> under Communism it's the other way round.

That's no joke!

> Substitute almost any Party for Capitalism or Communism.

So where does that leave us?

 As long as the land monopoly is maintained, the few can take
 possession of what Nature free of charge has granted to everyone,
 and usury will penetrate the whole society, and we will have banks,
 which instead of being servants for the exchange of goods will
 become powerful extorters. (!!!) - Pierre Joseph Proudhon

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3362

In article <gemini.4f15fc1600a45a1802d0%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>,
   SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> M Harding wrote:
> > I like the joke made, I think, by Radek:
> > What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?
> > under Capitalism man exploits man;
> > under Communism it's the other way round.

> That's no joke!

It was't for Radek either, as a top-flight colleague of Stalin! 

> > Substitute almost any Party for Capitalism or Communism.

> So where does that leave us?

Way, way Off Topic.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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#3365

In a mad moment - M Harding  mumbled :

> In article <gemini.4f15fc1600a45a1802d0%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>,
>    SG nws <nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> M Harding wrote:
>>> I like the joke made, I think, by Radek:
>>> What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?
>>> under Capitalism man exploits man;
>>> under Communism it's the other way round.

>> That's no joke!

> It was't for Radek either, as a top-flight colleague of Stalin!

>>> Substitute almost any Party for Capitalism or Communism.

>> So where does that leave us?

> Way, way Off Topic.

and in a Jam, but trying to get back on.


-- 
|)    [
|)ryn [vans            mail to - BrynEvans@bryork.freeuk.com

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#3355

In article <gemini.4f123d750018c8f804d0%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>, SG nws
<nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Rick Murray wrote:
> > SG nws wrote:
> >> See here: http://www.truefreetrade.org/pft7.htm

> > Is there a less pretentious, less verbose version for those of us with
> > short attention spans?

> Trade is not invasion. It does not involve aggression on one side and
> resistance on the other, but mutual consent and gratification.

The reality can be less simple. It can be 'trade' whose terms are largely
imposed by some on others.

> Free trade consists simply in letting people buy and sell as they want
> to buy and sell.

Alas "Free trade" can also become a slogan some present to cover over the
way some more powerful countries and international corporations pressurise
weaker ones into doing trade on terms that suit best those with the power
and money.

Reality is rarely simple, and often not pure.

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
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#3358

Jim Lesurf wrote:
>>> SG nws wrote:
>>>> See here: http://www.truefreetrade.org/pft7.htm

>> Trade is not invasion. It does not involve aggression on one side and
>> resistance on the other, but mutual consent and gratification.

> The reality can be less simple. It can be 'trade' whose terms are largely
> imposed by some on others.

>> Free trade consists simply in letting people buy and sell as they want
>> to buy and sell.

> Alas "Free trade" can also become a slogan some present to cover over the
> way some more powerful countries and international corporations pressurise
> weaker ones into doing trade on terms that suit best those with the power
> and money.

> Reality is rarely simple, and often not pure.

Note the main part of that url.  :-)
We ignore Cobden at our peril.

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3363

In article <gemini.4f15fe6c00ad7bed02d0%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>, SG nws
<nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Jim Lesurf wrote:
> >>> SG nws wrote:
> >>>> See here: http://www.truefreetrade.org/pft7.htm

> >> Trade is not invasion. It does not involve aggression on one side and
> >> resistance on the other, but mutual consent and gratification.

> > The reality can be less simple. It can be 'trade' whose terms are
> > largely imposed by some on others.

> >> Free trade consists simply in letting people buy and sell as they
> >> want to buy and sell.

> > Alas "Free trade" can also become a slogan some present to cover over
> > the way some more powerful countries and international corporations
> > pressurise weaker ones into doing trade on terms that suit best those
> > with the power and money.

> > Reality is rarely simple, and often not pure.

> Note the main part of that url.  :-) We ignore Cobden at our peril.

It also seems to me to be long overdue for most economists and polticians
to read (and actually understand) work by people like Steve Keen. Might
have helped us avoid a lot of problems if they'd done so years ago. However
since they seem to have failed to understand even Keynes or Galbraith, and
seem determined to resume 'business as usual' this may be a forlorn hope.

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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#3364

Jim Lesurf wrote:
> It also seems to me to be long overdue for most economists and polticians
> to read (and actually understand) work by people like Steve Keen. Might
> have helped us avoid a lot of problems if they'd done so years ago.
> However since they seem to have failed to understand even Keynes or
> Galbraith, and seem determined to resume 'business as usual' this may be a
> forlorn hope.

Interesting interview with Keen here: 
http://www.earthsharing.org.au/2010/05/21/steve-keen-on-the-renegades/

BTW: Do you listen to The Keiser Report?

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3367

In article <gemini.4f16bdfb00084a6f0310%nwsgrp@ntlworld.com>, SG nws
<nwsgrp@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Jim Lesurf wrote:
> > It also seems to me to be long overdue for most economists and
> > polticians to read (and actually understand) work by people like Steve
> > Keen. Might have helped us avoid a lot of problems if they'd done so
> > years ago. However since they seem to have failed to understand even
> > Keynes or Galbraith, and seem determined to resume 'business as usual'
> > this may be a forlorn hope.

> Interesting interview with Keen here:
> http://www.earthsharing.org.au/2010/05/21/steve-keen-on-the-renegades/

Thanks for that. Quite interesting to hear him being interviewed. And to
contrast his relaxed approach to that compared with UK academics. :-)

When I used to lecture courses for a living <sic?> I once or twice was told
off by colleages for using technical terms like "buggered" for equipment
that was, erm, toes-up. (The students never complained.) To me, it was
normal engineering parlance. 

Maybe I'd have been more at home in Australia. ;->

> BTW: Do you listen to The Keiser Report?

Afraid not. Have I missed something? I tend to be old fashioned and read
textbooks, etc. 

Slainte,

Jim

-- 
Please use the address on the audiomisc page if you wish to email me.
Electronics  http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scots_Guide/intro/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc  http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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#3369

Jim Lesurf wrote:
> SG nws wrote:
>> BTW: Do you listen to The Keiser Report?

> Afraid not. Have I missed something? I tend to be old fashioned and read
> textbooks, etc.

If you appreciate the use of technical terms like "buggered" then
you'll enjoy the Keiser Report. :-)
Find it on RT - channel 85 (freeview), or on the web at:
 http://rt.com/programs/keiser-report/

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3370

Jim Lesurf wrote:
[snip]

Something else of interest Jim:
http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/

-- 
Stewart Goldwater
http://janusg.co.nr

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#3389

In article <52538cf2cdnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
<noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> > Interesting interview with Keen here:
> > http://www.earthsharing.org.au/2010/05/21/steve-keen-on-the-renegades/

> Thanks for that. Quite interesting to hear him being
> interviewed. And to contrast his relaxed approach to that
> compared with UK academics. :-)

> When I used to lecture courses for a living <sic?> I once
> or twice was told off by colleages for using technical
> terms like "buggered" for equipment that was, erm,
> toes-up. (The students never complained.) To me, it was
> normal engineering parlance. 

I understand that the correct term in certain dialects of
pidgin is 'all buggered up'.

At least, so I was told by a catholic missionary (male) who
had been seriously shocked immediately on arrival at a
nunnery in New Guinea to hear one nun telling another that
the sewing machine was 'all buggered up'.

-- 
Russell
http://www.russell-hafter-holidays.co.uk
Russell Hafter Holidays         E-mail to enquiries at our domain
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#3391 — Re: Getting close to raspberry pi time (OT)

On 21 Jan 2012  Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> 
wrote:

> In article <52538cf2cdnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Interesting interview with Keen here:
>>> http://www.earthsharing.org.au/2010/05/21/steve-keen-on-the-renegades/

>> Thanks for that. Quite interesting to hear him being
>> interviewed. And to contrast his relaxed approach to that
>> compared with UK academics. :-)

>> When I used to lecture courses for a living <sic?> I once
>> or twice was told off by colleages for using technical
>> terms like "buggered" for equipment that was, erm,
>> toes-up. (The students never complained.) To me, it was
>> normal engineering parlance.

> I understand that the correct term in certain dialects of
> pidgin is 'all buggered up'.

I gather the accepted spelling is "bagarap". It's quite polite, as is 
"bullshit". I used to have an Australian neighbour, who spoke fluent 
New Guinea pidgin.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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#3392

In article <525524d590see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid>,
   Russell Hafter News <see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> In article <52538cf2cdnoise@audiomisc.co.uk>, Jim Lesurf
> <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:

> > When I used to lecture courses for a living <sic?> I once
> > or twice was told off by colleages for using technical
> > terms like "buggered" for equipment that was, erm,
> > toes-up. (The students never complained.) To me, it was
> > normal engineering parlance. 

> I understand that the correct term in certain dialects of
> pidgin is 'all buggered up'.

> At least, so I was told by a catholic missionary (male) who
> had been seriously shocked immediately on arrival at a
> nunnery in New Guinea to hear one nun telling another that
> the sewing machine was 'all buggered up'.

I am only shocked that he was shocked. But then, my family background
is mechanical engineering. It's British Standard Technical English,
I'd have thought - and concur that "up" is the version I've always
been accustomed to.

Michael Harding
Rev. Preb. M.D. Harding   riscos@mdharding.org.uk

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