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  The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> - 2011-12-25 10:00 +0200
    Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-26 02:13 +0100
      Re: / software updater Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2011-12-28 12:17 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-03 22:30 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:30 +0100
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Jess <phantasm_39@hotmail.com> - 2012-01-07 11:19 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:14 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> - 2012-01-04 11:52 +0100
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 20:36 +0000
              Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-05 10:33 +0000
                Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 10:40 +0000
                  Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 13:48 +0000
                Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2012-01-06 08:11 +0100
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> - 2012-01-04 17:58 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Jim Nagel <jimnewsm10d@abbeypress.co.uk> - 2012-01-05 20:35 +0000
    Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-26 19:48 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 12:53 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> - 2011-12-27 13:03 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 13:36 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD workstuff@mail.com - 2011-12-27 17:03 +0100
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Kevin Wells <kev@kevsoft.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 16:31 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-27 18:27 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 18:37 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2011-12-30 22:23 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2011-12-28 09:54 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-29 05:04 +0100
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> - 2011-12-29 10:13 +0000
              Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Richard Travers <richtnews@uwclub.net> - 2011-12-29 11:36 +0000
      Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 09:44 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-04 10:14 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 10:49 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 10:58 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 19:36 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 22:11 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> - 2012-01-04 19:47 +0000
            Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 22:08 +0000
        Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Chris Johnson <chrisjohnson+news@spamcop.net> - 2012-01-04 11:39 +0000
          Re: The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> - 2012-01-04 12:58 +0000

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#3115 — The idea of a yearly RISC OS CD

I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
don't know that there is a newer version.

So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

A.

-- 
RISC OS since 1994
http://home.chiemgau-net.de/ausserstorfer/

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#3118

On 25/12/2011 09:00, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:

> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
> don't know that there is a newer version.

I think RISC OS needs to embrace the idea of the auto-updater to at 
least *check* for updates to popular software. I wrote a mechanism for 
my (ancient) VideoList, way back circa Y2K. I wasn't aware of other 
software able to check for updates and manage updating itself; and 
looking around now, I don't think much has changed. ;-)

There is, of course, a trust issue - each upgrade check *can* tie an IP 
address and a time as a user of the software; and it would be trivial to 
bury registration details into the HTTP request header to allow 
scripting on the server to uniquely ID a user (which, yes, is sleazy).
However the practice of upgrade auto-checking is becoming more accepted, 
and products such as Android and concepts such as Facebook are 
dramatically lowering our expectations of privacy. No, this isn't a good 
thing. But then you need to weigh up the benefits of an update 
notification with the possibility of notifying the author that you are 
using their software...


> So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
> releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
> onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

As with the Acorn User articles, I suspect you'll run into problems of 
"Licence". You would need to check that everything you would want to put 
on the CD is *able* to be put on said CD. Though the question I would 
have is, if you can go online to discover the CD, why not Google for the 
software you're looking for?


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3143 — Re: / software updater

[Posted and mailed]

[Posted and mailed]

> On 25/12/2011 09:00, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
>> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
>> don't know that there is a newer version.

Rick Murray  wrote on 26 Dec:
> I think RISC OS needs to embrace the idea of the auto-updater to at
> least *check* for updates to popular software. I wrote a mechanism for
> my (ancient) VideoList, way back circa Y2K. I wasn't aware of other
> software able to check for updates and manage updating itself; and
> looking around now, I don't think much has changed. ;-)

Check out these:

     !Scanmod by Paul Vigay www.vigay.com/software (v1.11f, 2008) 
     -- discussed in Archive 20:10 PD column, 21:8 news

     !Rover by Martin Avison  www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/Rover.htm 
     (v1.07, 2008) -- Archive 21:4 PD column, 21:10 PD column

Both depend on the RiscOS Links Database set up by Paul Vigay -- 
www.riscos.org/links -- where he invites people to help keep the 
database up to date.  Dunno how this stands since Paul's death in 2009 
but I do know someone has stepped forward to maintain Paul's other 
software.  Anyway, the "recent updates" list on the site does contain 
entries marked 2011.


-- 
Jim Nagel           [ www.archivemag.co.uk > Offer ]
>>    Archive magazine's "two free trial issues" offer
>>    is still in effect.  Please pass this on if you
>>    know someone who hasn't seen the magazine lately.
| "from" address is genuine but will change.  website has current one.

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#3196

On 26 Dec, Rick Murray wrote in message
    <4ef7ca3a$0$5702$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr>:

> On 25/12/2011 09:00, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
> 
> > I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
> > don't know that there is a newer version.
> 
> I think RISC OS needs to embrace the idea of the auto-updater to at least
> *check* for updates to popular software.

*cough* ... package management ... *cough*

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3198

On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 22:30:57 +0000, Steve Fryatt 
<news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

>> I think RISC OS needs to embrace the idea of the auto-updater to 
at least
>> *check* for updates to popular software.

> *cough* ... package management ... *cough*

Integrated into the OS more than a stand-alone program.


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3248

In message <almarsoft.8024606056711991092@news.orange.fr>
          Rick Murray <heyrickmail-usenet@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>> *cough* ... package management ... *cough*

> Integrated into the OS more than a stand-alone program.

Yes, that would be ideal.

I would like to see it in apps in resources fs (along with HDForm) 
with the aim being that it could fetch the entire disk image for a 
blank machine that was internet connected.

I wonder if nowadays it should be presented more as an App Store.

-- 
Jess                   Iyonix

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#3199

In article <mpro.lx8ujj07tz3tc01jf.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> *cough* ... package management ... *cough*

Message-ID: <42e9d24952.news@mistymornings.net>

and subsequent messages in that thread

Seems to be throwing up even more problems with that idea.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3207

In message <524c32f41aSpambin@argonet.co.uk>
          Stuart <Spambin@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <mpro.lx8ujj07tz3tc01jf.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
>    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>> *cough* ... package management ... *cough*

> Message-ID: <42e9d24952.news@mistymornings.net>

> and subsequent messages in that thread

> Seems to be throwing up even more problems with that idea.

I do not think so. The issue described there is well known and not new 
at all, and it is not a fundamental problem, it just reflects the fact 
that manual user intervention is required to resolve conflicts when 
making the transition from an unmanaged to a managed system, no matter 
what kind of auto-update mechanism is introduced.

That transition could be made easier for users, but that is not a 
problem with the package management concept as such, just some 
enhancements that are needed in the front-ends.

-- 
Martin
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Martin Wuerthner         MW Software      http://www.mw-software.com/
        RISC OS Software for Design, Printing and Publishing
---------------------------------------------------------------------

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#3222

In article <17e73b4c52.martin@bach.planiverse.com>,
   Martin Wuerthner <spamtrap@mw-software.com> wrote:
> > Seems to be throwing up even more problems with that idea.

> I do not think so. The issue described there is well known and not new 
> at all, and it is not a fundamental problem, it just reflects the fact 
> that manual user intervention is required to resolve conflicts when 
> making the transition from an unmanaged to a managed system, no matter 
> what kind of auto-update mechanism is introduced.

Well this user has never messed about within !Boot, with modules or
anything else, and doesn't intend to.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3229

On 4 Jan, Stuart wrote in message
    <524c716be4Spambin@argonet.co.uk>:

> Well this user has never messed about within !Boot, with modules or
> anything else, and doesn't intend to.

So how do you install any new software, then?

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3230

In article <mpro.lxbmnn01bjgnk01jw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
   Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 4 Jan, Stuart wrote in message
>     <524c716be4Spambin@argonet.co.uk>:

> > Well this user has never messed about within !Boot, with modules or
> > anything else, and doesn't intend to.

> So how do you install any new software, then?

by "messing about", I assume he means doing his own thing with !Boot. I
certainly don't consider using the built-in software in !Boot to be
"messing about".

-- 
From KT24 

Using a RISC OS computer running v5.16 

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#3232

In article <524cbeb353charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk>,
   charles <charles@charleshope.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <mpro.lxbmnn01bjgnk01jw.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
>    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> > On 4 Jan, Stuart wrote in message
> >     <524c716be4Spambin@argonet.co.uk>:

> > > Well this user has never messed about within !Boot, with modules or
> > > anything else, and doesn't intend to.

> > So how do you install any new software, then?

> by "messing about", I assume he means doing his own thing with !Boot. I
> certainly don't consider using the built-in software in !Boot to be
> "messing about".

Quite so. I have no problem using the tools provided, to merge !Boot or
!System directories when provided with an application. Both these seem to
work perfectly, quietly, and without error.

Manually moving modules about, as is being suggested here, is not for me.

-- 
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

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#3236

On 05/01/2012 11:33, Steve Fryatt wrote:

>> Well this user has never messed about within !Boot, with modules or
>> anything else, and doesn't intend to.
> So how do you install any new software, then?

Good God. Come on - do you mess in \Windows\System32 when you install 
software on a PC, or do you expect an installer to do all that techie 
stuff for you?

Why can't RISC OS be the same? I think Stuart is perhaps referring to 
the fact that one of the package managers *will* *not* replace existing 
stuff (including system modules) from the get-go, which makes it more or 
less useless for some people. Yeah, I know, move the modules then the 
manager will look after the rest - try explaining that to somebody who 
hasn't looked inside !System. While you're at it, explain why they even 
need to look there...


Best wishes,

Rick.

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#3216

On 4 Jan, Stuart wrote in message
    <524c32f41aSpambin@argonet.co.uk>:

> In article <mpro.lx8ujj07tz3tc01jf.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
>    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>
> > *cough* ... package management ... *cough*
> 
> Message-ID: <42e9d24952.news@mistymornings.net>
> 
> and subsequent messages in that thread
> 
> Seems to be throwing up even more problems with that idea.

Does it?  Quite the opposite, I'd have thought (it does show what confusion
can arise when you *don't* use package management, though).

-- 
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England             Wakefield Acorn & RISC OS Show
                                             Saturday 28 April 2012
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/           http://www.wakefieldshow.org.uk/

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#3233

> On 25/12/2011 09:00, Alexander Ausserstorfer wrote:
>> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
>> don't know that there is a newer version.

Rick Murray  wrote on 26 Dec:
> I think RISC OS needs to embrace the idea of the auto-updater to at
> least *check* for updates to popular software. I wrote a mechanism for
> my (ancient) VideoList, way back circa Y2K. I wasn't aware of other
> software able to check for updates and manage updating itself; and
> looking around now, I don't think much has changed. ;-)

Check out these:

     !Scanmod by Paul Vigay www.vigay.com/software (v1.11f, 2008)
     -- discussed in Archive 20:10 PD column, 21:8 news

     !Rover by Martin Avison  www.avisoft.force9.co.uk/Rover.htm
     (v1.07, 2008) -- Archive 21:4 PD column, 21:10 PD column

Both depend on the RiscOS Links Database set up by Paul Vigay --
www.riscos.org/links -- where he invites people to help keep the
database up to date.  Dunno how this stands since Paul's death in 2009 

but I do know someone has stepped forward to maintain Paul's other
software.  Anyway, the "recent updates" list on the site does contain
entries marked 2011.


-- 
Jim Nagel                        www.archivemag.co.uk
>> "from" address is genuine but will change.  website has current one.

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#3125

In article <49cd054752.Alex@bavariasound.chiemgau-net.de>,
   Alexander Ausserstorfer <bavariasound@chiemgau-net.de> wrote:
> I often have the problem that I'm using such an old software because I
> don't know that there is a newer version.

> So what about the idea to collect all the free software updates or
> releases over the period of a year and to put them like a collection
> onto a CD and spread it / them around XMAS?

Or you could subscribe to ANS (Acorn News Service) Including the ANS RISC OS
Filebase.
<http://www.ans.org.uk/>
Subscribe is via a link on the left or you could always just visit the site
regularly ;-).

There is also the RISC OS Blog.
<http://www.riscosblog.co.uk/>

Also RISCOSitory.
<http://www.riscository.com/>

Not forgetting RISCOScode.
<http://www.riscoscode.com/>

Or even riscos.info.
<http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RISC_OS>

Regular visits to those sites  should keep you up to date with your
software.

Although I am sympathetic to your idea of a Xmas CD. It will not cover the
new/upgraded software between the yearly CDs and personally I for one cannot
wait that long :-)).

Regards Ron.

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#3136

Ron Briscoe <ron.briscoe@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

[...]
 
> There is also the RISC OS Blog. <http://www.riscosblog.co.uk/>

RSS feed: http://riscosblog.co.uk/index.php/feed/rss/posts
 
> Also RISCOSitory. <http://www.riscository.com/>

RSS feed: http://www.riscository.com/feed/
 
> Or even riscos.info. <http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RISC_OS>

RSS feed: http://www.riscos.info/riscos.rss
 
> Regular visits to those sites  should keep you up to date with your
> software.

The advantage of RSS, of course, is that you don't need to make regular
visits to those sites: The news, in effect, comes to you.

I'm not sure what the state of RSS is on RISC OS, though** - I use Google
Reader on my laptop (via my iGoogle homepage), my phone and my tablet.

(I don't think RISCOScode has an RSS feed, but there's always the Twitter
account: http://twitter.com/#!/RISCOScode )

** Doesn't the Messenger Pro/Hermes combo allow RSS feeds to be read?

-- 
Soft Rock Software:                   http://www.softrock.co.uk
Vince M Hudd:                         http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/
RISCOSitory:                          http://www.riscository.com

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#3137

In article <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>,
   Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:

[Snip] RSS

> ** Doesn't the Messenger Pro/Hermes combo allow RSS feeds to be read?

Yes, or Pluto/Hermes. :-)

-- 
Ian Hamilton (Iyonix/ARMini) http://www.hamiltoni.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/

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#3138

Ian Hamilton <Ian.Hamilton@AAUG.net> wrote:
> In article <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>,
>    Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:
 
> [Snip] RSS
 
> > ** Doesn't the Messenger Pro/Hermes combo allow RSS feeds to be read?
 
> Yes, or Pluto/Hermes. :-)

Which, really, means it's actually Hermes - it's just presenting the
resulting feed to the news/mail client as, well, news or mail.

I'm sure I knew this already. I blame my lack of thinking on being ill.
 
-- 
Soft Rock Software:                   http://www.softrock.co.uk
Vince M Hudd:                         http://misc.vinceh.com/about-vinceh/
RISCOSitory:                          http://www.riscository.com

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#3139

In message <mpro.lwv54q006tzhq042c.vinceh@softrock.co.uk>
          Vince M Hudd <vinceh@softrock.co.uk> wrote:


> 
> The advantage of RSS, of course, is that you don't need to make regular
> visits to those sites: The news, in effect, comes to you.
> 
> I'm not sure what the state of RSS is on RISC OS, though** - I use Google
> Reader on my laptop (via my iGoogle homepage), my phone and my tablet.
> 
> (I don't think RISCOScode has an RSS feed, but there's always the Twitter
> account: http://twitter.com/#!/RISCOScode )
> 
> ** Doesn't the Messenger Pro/Hermes combo allow RSS feeds to be read?
> 
I've used a Firefox addon which allows me to read RSS feeds. It works
with the Firefox Bon Echo port on my Iyonix. It is "Simple RSS Reader
(SRR) 1.2.2" I think I had to find an earlier version when I installed
it. I crashes Firefox here if it gets confused but generally works fine.
Cheers Stan

-- 
An Iyonix in Buskerud.

http://mistymornings.net 

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