Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Tim Hill Newsgroups: comp.sys.acorn.misc Subject: Re: Maillist servers - (was Android email and Pluto) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 15:57:28 +0100 Organization: timil.com Lines: 54 Message-ID: <52c4d3fa80tim@invalid.org.uk> References: <52bf0c4b94dave@davenoise.co.uk> <52bf123436see.sig@walkingingermany.invalid> <551725bf52.martin@blueyonder.co.uk> <52bf7f71c5bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> <920082bf52.chris@o2.co.uk> <52bf91c00etim@invalid.org.uk> <52c057a533tim@invalid.org.uk> <804c89c052.chris@o2.co.uk> <52c14a4aadtim@invalid.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: GqAcIUbqh27oTTI3Dt5hJw.user.speranza.aioe.org X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Pluto/3.04c (RISC-OS/5.18) NewsHound/v1.50-32 X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Xref: csiph.com comp.sys.acorn.misc:6246 In article , Steve Fryatt wrote: > On 18 Aug, Tim Hill wrote in message <52c14a4aadtim@invalid.org.uk>: > > Pluto has the distinct advantage of allowing people to manage their > > own subscriptions to that list. > The main problem that I have with people putting Pluto forward as a > list manager is that, in my experience of subscribing to the Pluto-run > Archive-on-Line, it does it so *badly*. I don't remember that from when I used to subscribe. Nor problems when I ran an (admittedly low volume) discussion group. > It seems to get headers subtly wrong compared to 'proper' maillist > systems, and doesn't insert the conventional list identifier headers so > *reliable* filtering is difficult for subscribers. I filter A-o-L > email on Return-Path instead of the simpler List-ID or Mailing-List > that 'real' systems insert: it seems to work, but is far from ideal. Pluto, as a reader, seems to handle them perfectly based on the list's address. It probably pre-dates some of the fancy header stuff. ;-) > More seriously, it seems that the only way a list owner (eg. Tim, his > lists) can post to a Pluto-run list is to hijack someone else's post > and bork the threading and quoting. So instead of getting When I did briefly run a discussion group, I don't remember having a problem posting or replying to the group myself. Your assumption, I think, is wrong. [Snip borked quoting] > Given how often A-o-L subscribers have asked for this to be fixed and > had the requests fall on deaf ears, it seems that it must be a > fundamental limitation of Pluto. Or is it the way in which the list maintainer is using Pluto to interact with the list? These days I use the automated distribution lists to send old-fashioned newsletters to old-fashioned people who haven't worked out how to interact with facebook yet. They are missing out but I haven't felt the need to host a discussion group for a long time and not because nobody will talk with me, there just aren't enough facebookaphobes to worry about. ;-) -- from Tim Hill who welcomes incoming email to tim at timil dot com. * Share in a better energy supplier: http://tjrh.eu/coopnrg * Share in cheaper ethical telecoms: http://tjrh.eu/phone * Have a genuine & spam-proof address for Usenet http://www.invalid.org.uk/ ... "Have more than though showest; speak less than thou knowest; lend less than thou owest" K Lear, Act i, Sc.4