Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Keith Thompson Newsgroups: comp.std.c Subject: int n = {{0}}; Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 19:57:19 -0700 Organization: None to speak of Lines: 51 Message-ID: <8734xwkc1c.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="7ab2f2b489eaca4d293095b514b3d94e"; logging-data="2194295"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+q3TKSCKdQccfv9b1qjISK" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mmEjKILPlZddMkiRuZje73DIVFA= sha1:Zk3eWJlejJe+25qCD/5PJRDn6e0= Xref: csiph.com comp.std.c:6585 Citations are from N1570 (C11 draft). I don't think there are any relevant differences in other editions or drafts of the standard. Quick summary: Why is int n = {{0}}; undefined behavior rather than a constraint violation? 6.7.9 (Initialization) includes a list of constraints, starting with "No initializer shall attempt to provide a value for an object not contained within the entity being initialized." 6.7.9p11 says: The initializer for a scalar shall be a single expression, optionally enclosed in braces. The initial value of the object is that of the expression (after conversion); the same type constraints and conversions as for simple assignment apply, taking the type of the scalar to be the unqualified version of its declared type. (I presume that "optionally enclosed in braces" is not intended to permit more than one level of braces.) Both int n = 0; and int n = {0}; are clearly valid, with identical semantics. But this: int n = {{0}}; violates that requirement. Since the requirement is under Semantics, not Constraints, code that violates it has undefined behavior. Starting with C99, this is mentioned in Annex J. My question: Why is this undefined behavior rather than a constraint violation? I suggest that moving that paragraph from Semantics to Constraints would be an improvement. Extra braces on a scalar initializer are easy to detect, and requiring a diagnostic should not be a significant burden, and would promote consistency. (Alternatively, the standard could have explicitly allowed arbitrarily nested braces.) With the current requirements, a compiler could quietly generate code to set n to 42, though I doubt that anyone would do that. (I note that gcc issues a non-fatal warning with "-std=c17 -pedantic-errors", while clang treats it as a fatal error.) -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com Will write code for food. void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */