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Re: interested in discussing some Kerberos improvements

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Subject Re: interested in discussing some Kerberos improvements
Date Thu, 26 Mar 2026 15:29:48 -0500
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I should add that, yes, I think every KDC implementation should adopt
innovations from Heimdal -- it's not to flatter us; it's that those are
highly worthwhile, especially the ones you noted.

Nico
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