Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!news.uzoreto.com!news.etla.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!usenet-its.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: Mark Andrews Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind Subject: Re: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named? Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:13:10 +1000 Lines: 176 Approved: bind-users@lists.isc.org Message-ID: References: <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2E7F@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2F10@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <2b5f4d05-b1a8-760c-3082-43843ed486fe@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2FA1@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <6091f715-d145-ab3f-d09b-5ec502575873@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D30C8@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <5F11E663.1060805@ipinc.net> <7caf7a134151405d805b295dc0c09a68@mail.rrcic.com> <5F15D831.4030707@ipinc.net> <1D095F7E-63E5-4AC0-B7F9-DA3A703DA29C@isc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lists.isc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: usenet.stanford.edu 1595301197 2848 149.20.1.60 (21 Jul 2020 03:13:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: action@cs.stanford.edu Cc: bind-users@lists.isc.org To: Ted Mittelstaedt Return-Path: X-Original-To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Delivered-To: bind-users@lists.isc.org In-Reply-To: <1D095F7E-63E5-4AC0-B7F9-DA3A703DA29C@isc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.6) X-BeenThere: bind-users@lists.isc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: X-Mailman-Original-References: <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2E7F@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2F10@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <2b5f4d05-b1a8-760c-3082-43843ed486fe@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2FA1@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <6091f715-d145-ab3f-d09b-5ec502575873@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D30C8@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <5F11E663.1060805@ipinc.net> <7caf7a134151405d805b295dc0c09a68@mail.rrcic.com> <5F15D831.4030707@ipinc.net> <1D095F7E-63E5-4AC0-B7F9-DA3A703DA29C@isc.org> Xref: csiph.com comp.protocols.dns.bind:15994 Just for the record here are the release dates for each maintenance = series. 9.0.0 2000-09-16 (one off - marked not for production) 9.1.0 2001-01-18 - 9.1.3 2001-07-03 (6 months) 9.2.0 2001-11-25 - 9.2.9 2007-09-25 (5 years 10 months) 9.3.0 2004-09-22 - 9.3.6 2008-11-19 (4 years 2 months) 9.4.0 2007-02-23 - 9.4.3 2008-11-19 - 9.4-ESV-R5 2011-08-01 (4 years 6 = months) 9.5.0 2008-05-29 - 9.5.2 2009-09-23 (1 year 3 months) 9.6.0 2008-12-23 - 9.6.3 2011-02-04 - 9.6-ESV-R11 2014-01-31 (5 years 2 = months) 9.7.0 2010-02-16 - 9.7.7 2012-10-09 (2 years 8 months) 9.8.0 2011-03-01 - 9.8.8 2014-09-29 (3 years 6 months) 9.9.0 2012-02-29 - 9.9.13 2018-07-11 (6 years 4 months, ESV) 9.10.0 2014-04-30 - 9.10.8 2018-07-11 (4 years 3 months) 9.11.0 2016-10-04 - 9.11.21 2020-07-15 (Current Stable, ESV) 9.12.0 2018-01-23 - 9.12.4 2019-03-01 (1 year 2 months) 9.13.0 2018-05-25 - 9.13.7 2019-02-27 (development) 9.14.0 2019-03-22 - 9.14.12 2020-05-19 (1 year 2 months) 9.15.0 2020-03-06 - 9.15.8 2020-01-22 (development) 9.16.0 2020-03-06 - 9.16.5 2020-07-15 (Current Stable, (should be future = ESV)) 9.17.0 2020-03-18 - 9.17.3 2020-07-15 (current development) ESV =3D Extended Support Version > On 21 Jul 2020, at 09:05, Mark Andrews wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 21 Jul 2020, at 03:45, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 7/17/2020 11:35 AM, John W. Blue wrote: >>> Speaking about things to be annoyed over .. >>>=20 >>> I am still ticked that FreeBSD dropped BIND from the distribution = for something called unwinding or whatever it is. >>>=20 >>=20 >> I'm not happy that happened either but the simple fact is that if = BIND would quit dropping support so fast for it's older versions that = never would have happened. The fundamental problem was that BIND = dropped support for it's older versions before the distros dropped = support for their distros. This is happening with a lot of other = software packages. >=20 > There where lots of things happening at the time. There was = misinformation propagated to *BSD that BIND 9 going away much faster = that any plans we had. BIND 10 (now defunct) hadn=E2=80=99t even = reached feature parity with BIND 9 which was still being developed = because the DNS protocol is still be developed. >=20 > As for support life times. BIND 9.17 will load most BIND 8.0 = configurations. Thats 20+ years of backwards compatibility. >=20 > Distributions also need to look at their own practices. They ask us = to supply long term support but do not actually integrate the = maintenance releases but instead cherry-pick just the security fixes. = Maintenance is not just security fixes. That means that we keep seeing = bug reports that need to be diagnosed about bugs we have fixed years = ago. That really isn=E2=80=99t a good use of peoples time. Not ours, = not the distributions maintainers nor the users time. Is there little = wonder that we stop producing bug fixes releases for old version when = the distributions don=E2=80=99t use them? >=20 >> When FreeBSD was used mostly for servers it wasn't a problem. But = more >> and more people are using it for desktop use where they want to = basically install it and forget about it, never run patches, never give >> a fig about security. Simpler programs like Unbound have less code >> and so less things to go wrong, need less patches, and are easier to >> support for a longer period of time so they get supported for a = longer >> period of time. Also, Unbound's main purpose in life is as a caching >> dns program. Nobody who runs a server on FreeBSD uses Unbound. >>=20 >> Ted >>=20 >>> John >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org] On Behalf = Of Ted Mittelstaedt >>> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:57 PM >>> To: bind-users@lists.isc.org >>> Subject: Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from = bind9 to named? >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Your personal experience is not the gobal truth. It is your opinion = but other experienced pepole see it different than you. >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Hmm I'm a bit late to this discussion but I will chime in with the = others. The service always was called "named" pronounced "name Dee" >>> it was called that in the Nutshell book which is easily the = authoritative book on the subject, it was called this before you were = born and it was kind of the height of hubris for it to ever be named >>> bind9 in a software distro. >>>=20 >>> In fact, the ONLY reason that the name "bind9" was ever even coined = at all was because the changes from bind8 both in the syntax of the = config file and how the program operated they wanted to boot admins in = the behind to get them to change their config files. It should have = been put to bed as a name a long time ago, or named "bind version 9" = like every other software program does with their versions. >>>=20 >>> So as an experienced person who has been doing this you-nuxs thing = since >>> 1982 - I DON'T see it different - and in fact, I see it as a RETURN = to what it originally was! >>>=20 >>> Ted >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to = unsubscribe from this list >>>=20 >>> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support = subscriptions. 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Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more = information. >>=20 >>=20 >> bind-users mailing list >> bind-users@lists.isc.org >> https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users >=20 > --=20 > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to = unsubscribe from this list >=20 > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support = subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more = information. >=20 >=20 > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users --=20 Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org