Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news.etla.org!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!usenet-its.stanford.edu!usenet.stanford.edu!not-for-mail From: Ted Mittelstaedt Newsgroups: comp.protocols.dns.bind Subject: Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named? Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:45:21 -0700 Lines: 65 Approved: bind-users@lists.isc.org Message-ID: References: <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2E7F@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2F10@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <2b5f4d05-b1a8-760c-3082-43843ed486fe@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2FA1@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <6091f715-d145-ab3f-d09b-5ec502575873@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D30C8@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <5F11E663.1060805@ipinc.net> <7caf7a134151405d805b295dc0c09a68@mail.rrcic.com> <5F15D831.4030707@ipinc.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lists.isc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: usenet.stanford.edu 1595267147 11012 149.20.1.60 (20 Jul 2020 17:45:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: action@cs.stanford.edu To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Return-Path: X-Original-To: bind-users@lists.isc.org Delivered-To: bind-users@lists.isc.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:10.0) Gecko/20120206 Thunderbird/10.0 In-Reply-To: <7caf7a134151405d805b295dc0c09a68@mail.rrcic.com> X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=KAM_ASCII_DIVIDERS, KAM_SHORT, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=disabled version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mx.pao1.isc.org X-BeenThere: bind-users@lists.isc.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: BIND Users Mailing List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <5F15D831.4030707@ipinc.net> X-Mailman-Original-References: <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2E7F@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2F10@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <2b5f4d05-b1a8-760c-3082-43843ed486fe@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D2FA1@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <6091f715-d145-ab3f-d09b-5ec502575873@thelounge.net> <3E18C1A0C550C44DA156DA5DA8ECCC6AB60D30C8@NICS-EXCH2.sbg.nic.at> <5F11E663.1060805@ipinc.net> <7caf7a134151405d805b295dc0c09a68@mail.rrcic.com> Xref: csiph.com comp.protocols.dns.bind:15990 On 7/17/2020 11:35 AM, John W. Blue wrote: > Speaking about things to be annoyed over .. > > I am still ticked that FreeBSD dropped BIND from the distribution for something called unwinding or whatever it is. > I'm not happy that happened either but the simple fact is that if BIND would quit dropping support so fast for it's older versions that never would have happened. The fundamental problem was that BIND dropped support for it's older versions before the distros dropped support for their distros. This is happening with a lot of other software packages. When FreeBSD was used mostly for servers it wasn't a problem. But more and more people are using it for desktop use where they want to basically install it and forget about it, never run patches, never give a fig about security. Simpler programs like Unbound have less code and so less things to go wrong, need less patches, and are easier to support for a longer period of time so they get supported for a longer period of time. Also, Unbound's main purpose in life is as a caching dns program. Nobody who runs a server on FreeBSD uses Unbound. Ted > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: bind-users [mailto:bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org] On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 12:57 PM > To: bind-users@lists.isc.org > Subject: Re: AW: Debian/Ubuntu: Why was the service renamed from bind9 to named? > >> >> Your personal experience is not the gobal truth. It is your opinion but other experienced pepole see it different than you. >> > > Hmm I'm a bit late to this discussion but I will chime in with the others. The service always was called "named" pronounced "name Dee" > it was called that in the Nutshell book which is easily the authoritative book on the subject, it was called this before you were born and it was kind of the height of hubris for it to ever be named > bind9 in a software distro. > > In fact, the ONLY reason that the name "bind9" was ever even coined at all was because the changes from bind8 both in the syntax of the config file and how the program operated they wanted to boot admins in the behind to get them to change their config files. It should have been put to bed as a name a long time ago, or named "bind version 9" like every other software program does with their versions. > > So as an experienced person who has been doing this you-nuxs thing since > 1982 - I DON'T see it different - and in fact, I see it as a RETURN to what it originally was! > > Ted > _______________________________________________ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list > > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ for more information. > > > bind-users mailing list > bind-users@lists.isc.org > https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users > _______________________________________________ > Please visit https://lists.isc.org/mailman/listinfo/bind-users to unsubscribe from this list > > ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions. 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