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Re: Popular Languages

From	"BartC" <bc@freeuk.com>
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Subject	Re: Popular Languages
Date	2012-07-11 19:53 +0100
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<lordwilliams1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 11:59:06 AM UTC-7, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> ....
>
>> For a professional software designer mastery of a new language is a
>> matter
>> of month or so. He must understand basic concepts of software design.
>> These
>> are invariant to any language even across few programming paradigms. The
>> OP
>> should better start with a language which does not stand in the way.
>> There
>> is the famous saying Dijkstra made about Basic (a popular language):
>>
>> &quot;It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students
>> that
>> have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are
>> mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration.&quot;

(So anyone who's ever had to write a set of step-by-step instructions, which
is what Basic mostly was, can never be a (good) programmer?)

>I had to break away from using BASIC when I discovered at one time, using
>AmigaBASIC (another license of Microsoft) was generating a list of 35 * 200
>unique text based pseudo-names which took aprox. 35 minutes for each set of
>200 names on a 8 mHz M68000 on the Amiga computer, for a total of 14+
>hours.
> It was sickening slow.

> I decided then that I had to brainwash myself with C. It took me 3 times
> to reread a book on C to switch to thinking in C. I can remember a few

It sounds just a bad implementation. How long did C take on the same
machine? Did it use the same algorithm? Suppose it was C that was taking 14
hours, and Basic that was faster; would you still prefer to program in C?

-- 
Bartc

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      Re: Popular Languages "Ant" <not@home.today> - 2012-06-19 18:44 +0100
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        Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-20 03:01 -0700
          Re: Popular Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-06-20 12:18 +0200
            Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-20 10:12 -0700
              Re: Popular Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-06-20 20:59 +0200
                Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-20 12:15 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-06-20 22:53 +0200
                Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-21 12:25 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-06-21 22:30 +0200
                Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-22 04:45 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2012-06-22 14:18 +0200
                Re: Popular Languages Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201206.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2012-06-22 18:16 +0200
                Re: Popular Languages gremnebulin <peterdjones@yahoo.com> - 2012-06-23 11:07 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages blmblm@myrealbox.com <blmblm.myrealbox@gmail.com> - 2012-06-22 16:41 +0000
                Re: Popular Languages lordwilliams1972@gmail.com - 2012-07-11 09:28 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-11 19:53 +0100
                Re: Popular Languages nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com - 2012-07-13 04:09 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-13 13:10 +0100
                Re: Popular Languages Nick Keighley <nick_keighley_nospam@hotmail.com> - 2012-07-18 04:27 -0700
                Re: Popular Languages Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@dimnakorr.com> - 2012-07-13 07:30 -0500
                Re: Popular Languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-13 20:03 +0100
                Re: Popular Languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-13 21:50 +0100
                Re: Popular Languages malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com - 2012-07-14 13:39 -0700
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                Re: Popular Languages "BartC" <bc@freeuk.com> - 2012-07-14 22:43 +0100
                Re: Popular Languages "K.J. Williams" <lordwilliams1972@gmail.com> - 2012-07-19 19:30 -0700

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