Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!npeer01.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!post01.iad.highwinds-media.com!newsfe01.iad.POSTED!00000000!not-for-mail From: seeWebInstead@rem.intarweb.org (Robert Maas, http://tinyurl.com/uh3t) Errors-To: ErrorsToHere@YahooGroups.Com X-Spam-This: SpamCopies@YahooGroups.Com X-Twitter: CalRobert Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,comp.programming Subject: Re: Towards true A.I. References: <1d202j8607dz7.dgimh8xoxlwo$.dlg@40tude.net> <1jwvj1x0ayc05.ytcz87k1p1x4.dlg@40tude.net> <20120330115603.995$Tx@newsreader.com> Message-ID: Lines: 29 X-Complaints-To: abuse@rawbandwidth.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 22:49:15 UTC Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:44:48 -0700 X-Received-Bytes: 2427 Xref: csiph.com comp.ai.philosophy:3758 comp.programming:1489 > > >> As with an AI for sweeping floor they show unintelligence by > > >> total inability to classify content between "valuable" and "junk." > > > That's yet another dimension, after relevance to what you really > > > wanted to know about. > From: c...@kcwc.com (Curt Welch) > "what you want" is the foundation of all relevance. You have > neither extended it or added greater insight to the problem by > talking about what you want to "know" vs what you want to > "clean". It's still all becomes the same question of relevance > which all translates back to action selection. The job of the > brain is to select which behavior to produce at every instant of > a human's life. That selection problem is the foundational > problem of relevance that the brain solves. It's the definition > of relevance - or should be. It's the answer to the question > "what do I do now?". I think I agree. Clarifying what you said a little: Relevance of some piece of knowledge means to what degree obtaining that knowledge is useful for aiding a decision what to do next. OK? So the robot needs to estimate what information would be worth getting, to aid the what-next decision, as opposed to what information is of no immediate use. But a longer-term optimization might include gathering additional information that is of no immediate use but which is likely to be useful later and is much cheaper to get now while "here" rather than needing to come back here to get it later when it's urgently needed. The rest of what you said sounds good and I have nothing to add.