Path: csiph.com!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Keith Thompson Newsgroups: comp.lang.misc,comp.programming Subject: Re: Writing Python Code More Concisely Than Perl!? Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 09:27:38 -0700 Organization: None to speak of Lines: 65 Message-ID: <87ikktqakl.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> References: <2x2dnWlc86XdcNH1nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@giganews.com> <87qzzmhdy6.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <5I-cnV8SK8VOz9P1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> <87msa9h76f.fsf@nosuchdomain.example.com> <_yydncZWhZ90qc_1nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:27:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="06a91c04c586b71653a5a61432a50b9f"; logging-data="3387214"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19SNIjgbHo0RSTcHQRHPjWF" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dNF0kvCy43YTgx/PZXFE3q9Q3l8= sha1:LaHwZLFxxtAPzzv6FhAB6eXTJ18= Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.misc:11117 comp.programming:16806 c186282 writes: > On 6/15/25 2:04 AM, Keith Thompson wrote: >> c186282 writes: >>> On 6/14/25 5:25 AM, Keith Thompson wrote: >>>> c186282 writes: >>>> [...] >>>>> Frankly, Python is just generally 'better' these days. >>>>> Maybe not AS 'concise' but more 'readable' AND easier >>>>> to understand six months from now. The speed is now >>>>> 'adequate' and Python-4 is supposed to be even faster. >>>> Where are you getting your information? There are no plans for >>>> Python 4. >>> >>> Nonsense ... search on it. >> I did. > > Umm ... I've seen a lot of juicy details > about Py4 over the past year ..... > > No, it won't show up this year - but MAYBE > next year. In any case they promise high > compatibility with Py3. The goal is more > 'optimization' than underlying structure. > >>> The PLAN is far fewer diffs than between P2 and P3, >>> just more optimization. >>> >>> I'd say expect early releases within a year. >> >> What is the basis for that claim? Maybe you're right. If so, you >> shouldn't have any difficulty citing a credible source. >> [...] > > Wanna pay me for that much re-research ? No, I'm asking you to support a remarkable claim that *you* made. If what you say is true, it would be very interesting and I'd want to know more about it. > This is usenet - take what you can get. > > In any case, Python development is hardly > a big secret. Do some searching. You claimed that I could easily verify that there are plans for Python 4 by searching for it. I searched for it, and found that there are no such plans. Limiting the search to python.org, where any such plans would surely be posted, yields no results other than speculation in open discussions (discuss.python.org). You specifically said to "expect early releases within a year". The result of my search specifically contradicted your claims. I found one article misleadingly titled "Latest Update on Python 4.0" that says that "while Python 4.0 may be more of a speculative idea than a forthcoming reality, the Python community can look forward to ongoing enhancements within the Python 3.x series". If finding this information (to support *your* claim) is so easy, you shouldn't have any problem providing a credible citation. Your failure/refusal to do so tells me that you are an unreliable source of information, and that you have wasted my time. -- Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com void Void(void) { Void(); } /* The recursive call of the void */