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Hi Willem,

> Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote:
> ) So what's missing?  The filing part.  One thing you can do to ensure a
> ) clear break of mindset is to store the code into a data base instead of
> ) text files.   For a start, you could store it in a postgres database.
> ) There's a pg.el on the web, which let you communicate directly to
> ) postgres.  You may store each definition in a different row.
>
> NOOOO!  Not Uniface again!  I can tell you from experience that storing
> code into a database instead of text files is absolutely horrible.
>
> Of course, it looks great at the beginning when you're whipping up code
> and you don't need to worry about file structure or whatever, but when it
> grows bigger you're left with a horrible mess in a proprietary format.

I'm not familiar with the Uniface system, but it would be interesting
to know some specific problems that you experienced. Was structure
navigation an issue? Or the rulesets to generate the source code? Or
some collaboration conflicts?

> And then you want to put the whole thing into some kind of version control
> system, preferrably with multiple staging areas and whatnot, and then
> you're *really* in trouble.

That's what I think the new editor should have collaboration and
revision control at its core level, with edition features on top. My
experience is that communication and collaboration are the biggest
problems in big projects.

> Here's a break of mindset for you: A filesystem is a database, but with the
> added advantages that it's atransparent, and there are loads and loads of
> existing tools that integrate with it, including version control, backup,
> to name but a few.

The fact that the filesystem is a well-stablished development-system
doesn't make me feel less frustrated about the problems that I find when
I develop my applications in it ;). I have to endure it.

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New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-08 11:40 +0200
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-04-08 20:40 +0200
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Willem <willem@toad.stack.nl> - 2011-04-10 19:26 +0000
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-04-11 18:53 +0200
        Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 20:31 +0200
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 00:33 +0200
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 00:17 +0200
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-04-12 06:00 +0200
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2011-04-12 13:36 +0200
        Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2011-04-15 21:36 +0000
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Thomas David Rivers <rivers@dignus.com> - 2011-04-08 15:11 -0400
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-11 22:53 +0200
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Hans-Peter Diettrich <DrDiettrich1@aol.com> - 2011-04-08 23:39 +0200
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-04-10 20:53 +0200
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-04-10 13:30 -0700
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 00:54 +0200
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler arnold@skeeve.com (Aharon Robbins) - 2011-04-10 18:46 +0000
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2011-04-10 13:33 -0700
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "ekkehard.horner" <ekkehard.horner@arcor.de> - 2011-04-11 21:14 +0200
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler HiramEgl <hiramegl@hotmail.com> - 2011-04-12 00:35 +0200
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Ralph Boland <rpboland@gmail.com> - 2011-04-11 10:01 -0700
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com> - 2011-04-12 05:21 +0200
      Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2011-04-15 13:25 -0700
  Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Mike Austin <mike@mike-nospam-austin.com> - 2011-04-13 00:46 -0700
    Re: New editor/Integrated Development Environment/compiler Giacomo Boffi <giacomo.boffi@polimi.it> - 2011-04-13 18:09 +0200

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