Re: No Country for Old System Administrators

From	cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross)
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: No Country for Old System Administrators
Date	2026-05-04 02:24 +0000
Organization	PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC
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In article <10t7s1i$1d1$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>bill  <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On 5/3/2026 2:45 AM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 May 2026 11:25:00 +1000, Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
>>> 
>>>> With $1 Cyberattacks on the Rise, Durable Defenses Pay Off Writing
>>>> memory-safe code beats patching your way to safety
>>> 
>>> Rust seems to be the language du jour for tackling this problem.
>>> 
>>> Google reported a significant decrease in memory-related bugs after
>>> adopting Rust into the Android code base in a major way. Though,
>>> oddly, not a decrease in bugs overall ...
>>
>>There was memory safe C 40 years ago.  No one was interested.
>
>People in general aren't really interested at fixing security problems
>at the source.  Memory safe languages and safe computer architectures
>have never met much popularity outside academia unfortunately.
>
>We did get java, much to our dismay, and now rust.  But actual adoption
>is low.

I'm not sure that follows.  Java took over an enormous swath of
the industry, and actually did a lot for memory safety.

I agree that generally people aren't interested in security,
however.  They give it lip-service, but when push comes to shove
it is one of the first things to fall to the side.

	- Dan C.

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No Country for Old System Administrators Subcommandante XDelta <vlf@star.enet.dec.com> - 2026-05-03 11:25 +1000
  Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-02 22:08 -0400
    Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 06:43 +0000
    Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-04 01:02 +0000
  Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-03 06:45 +0000
    Re: No Country for Old System Administrators bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> - 2026-05-03 08:59 -0400
      Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 11:53 -0400
      Re: No Country for Old System Administrators kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-05-03 12:10 -0400
        Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 13:24 -0400
          Re: No Country for Old System Administrators kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-05-03 19:27 -0400
            Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 20:28 -0400
              Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-04 02:26 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-05-03 22:46 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 23:29 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 23:39 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-04 11:17 -0400
        Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-04 02:24 +0000
        Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-05 13:02 +0000
          Re: No Country for Old System Administrators kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-05-05 16:10 -0400
            Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 16:29 -0400
              Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 21:59 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 18:43 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-05 23:04 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 19:13 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 19:41 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2026-05-05 21:47 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 22:17 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 04:17 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-06 09:29 -0400
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-05-06 21:20 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 12:55 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-06 12:46 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 17:36 +0000
              New language features Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-06 12:44 +0000
      Safer programming languages Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-05 12:24 +0000
    Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-03 13:28 -0400
    Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-05 12:59 +0000
      Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-05 21:30 +0000
        Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2026-05-05 19:05 -0400
          Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-06 17:20 +0000
            Re: No Country for Old System Administrators drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2026-05-07 03:04 +0000
              Re: No Country for Old System Administrators Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2026-05-07 12:36 +0000
                Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 14:22 +0000
              Re: No Country for Old System Administrators cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) - 2026-05-07 13:00 +0000

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