Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!panix!.POSTED.spitfire.i.gajendra.net!not-for-mail From: cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) Newsgroups: comp.os.vms Subject: Re: DCL2 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:22:30 -0000 (UTC) Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC Message-ID: <10her46$n57$1@reader2.panix.com> References: <10h055c$217jf$1@dont-email.me> <10hcmee$nim$1@reader2.panix.com> <10hefto$27lfs$1@dont-email.me> Injection-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 16:22:30 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: reader2.panix.com; posting-host="spitfire.i.gajendra.net:166.84.136.80"; logging-data="23719"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@panix.com" X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) Originator: cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.vms:378369 In article <10hefto$27lfs$1@dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley wrote: >On 2025-12-10, Dan Cross wrote: >> In article , >> bill wrote: >>>On 12/8/2025 9:12 AM, Simon Clubley wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> 6) Nothing matching "man -k" in the DCL HELP facility. >>> >>>Problems with a lot of what you said, but this one sticks out the most. >>> >>>DCL is the equivalent of a Unix Shell. "man -k" has absolutely >>>nothing to do with a Unix Shell. It's a standalone utility that >>>searches the man files for keywords. One could always write an >>>equivalent for VMS HELP if anyone really cared. Heck, you could >>>even call it "man" and give it a "k" option. :-) >> >> Agreed. Simon, much on your list was complaints about the >> overall interactive VMS environment, not so much about DCL. >> E.g., comparing `SEARCH` and `grep` is fine, but drawing >> conclusions about DCL as a result does not follow. > >That may be true in the environments you are used to, but in the VMS >world, there's a tendency to regard the standard vendor-supplied >DCL commands and DCL itself all as one standard combined package. Pish. I know that you are more sophisticated than that. - Dan C.