Re: Can't connect to Web

From	Stef <not@this.address.com>
Newsgroups	microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, alt.comp.os.windows-xp, comp.os.ms-windows.networking.misc
Subject	Re: Can't connect to Web
Date	2017-05-29 18:57 +0000
Organization	Aioe.org NNTP Server
Message-ID	<oghqvf$1bkt$1@gioia.aioe.org> (permalink)
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On 28/5/2017 13:11, VanguardLH wrote:

> Stef <not@this.address.com> wrote:
>
>> Steve Hayes wrote:
>> 
>>> This morning I suddenly lost my connection to the web while I was
>>> browsing. 
>>>
>>> Mail still worked, news still worked, but the web connection did not. 
>>>
>>> I reset the router, rebooted my computer, but still nothing. 
>>>
>>> I wondered if it was a browser fault (I use Firefox) so tried Internet
>>> Explorer. It too could not connect, but offered to run diagnostics.
>>> This is what was found:
>>>
>>> ---- diagnostic report ----
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>
>>> DNS Client Diagnostic 
>>> DNS - Not a home user scenario 
>>>
>>> info Using Web Proxy: no 
>>> info Resolving name ok for (www.microsoft.com): yes 
>>> No DNS servers 
>>>
>>> DNS failure 
>> 
>> I haven't read the entire thread, but this is mostly likely your
>> problem.
>> 
>> Your default Domain Name Server is down or can't be accessed. When you
>> can't access "The Web" with your browser, but mail, ftp, etc work
>> (they don't use DNS), that's where I'd start the troubleshooting.
>
> WRONG.  Anytime you use a hostname (host.domain.tld) to specify a host,
> like for an e-mail or ftp or "etc" server, DNS gets used.  Humans like
> names.  Computers demand numbers.  How many times have you encountered a
> user that specifies the IP address address for their e-mail server when
> configuring an account within their local e-mail client?  Look at your
> own e-mail config in whatever local e-mail client you use.  Did you
> enter a hostname or an IP address?  Unless you do the DNS lookup when
> configuring the e-mail account in your e-mail client, you don't get that
> info from the e-mail provider as they give you hostnames.  How many web
> pages have you visited where absolute references (non-relative or just a
> path under the current location) to sources in a web page use IP
> addresses instead of hostnames?  If DNS were unusable to the OP, he
> wouldn't be doing e-mail or newsgroups.  If the OP were having to use IP
> addresses for everything, he would've mentioned it and maybe how he got
> those IP addresses.

NOT ALWAYS.  I'm old school.  I use traditional, dedicated email, ftp,
usenet clients instead of a browser for all that. And those clients
work just fine even when my DNSes are not reachable which is very,
very rare. FWIW, Even when I enter the server names like
mail.mymailprovider.com in the configs, they still work without a
DNS.  I think the client gets the IP and stores and uses it after
that. I never bothered to check and all have been working fine for
almost 5 years without any problems. With the usenet client I enter
the actual IP addresses. PS. Linux is my primary system and Internet
access. Windows runs in a VM on that machine for those times I need
it.


>> Here's a couple articles
>> 
>>   https://www.lifewire.com/find-the-ip-address-of-a-web-site-818155
>
> Requires DNS be working.

Yes, but the article also includes some IPs for testing.

>>   https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-the-ip-address-of-google-818153
>
> Requires DNS be working.

Yes, but the article also includes some IPs for testing.

> Also, if DNS was unusable, how would the OP get to the lifewire site?
> You didn't give him the IP address for that site.

I was going to include it for testing purposes, but when I tested it
myself to be sure it worked, it didn't.  Don't know why.  Didn't check
why. either.  Other IPs for the articles I tested did work though.


Stef

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