Re: Linux on a small memory PC

Subject	Re: Linux on a small memory PC
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, comp.os.linux.setup
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From	"25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net>
Date	2022-07-18 23:59 -0400
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On 7/8/22 5:27 AM, Pancho wrote:
> On 07/07/2022 16:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> Especially on January 19th, 2038 after 03:14:07 UTC, when another 
>>> problem arises.
>>
>> I doubt that any of the people involved will be alive by then
>>
>> Do any of you guys live in the real world?
>>
> 
> In the real world, professionally, I remember this causing a significant 
> production bug circa 1994. Date rules used to be the inane trivia we 
> needed to know intimately as programmers. Back then, we were using the 
> RougeWave library (before c++ STL).
> 
> I was chatting with a mate the other day about how programming had 
> become easier. Standard libraries, tools, and Google search removing 
> lots of the problems we used to have. But we decided the usual idiot 
> complexifiers had just spread an additional layer of crap on top, making 
> it just as difficult as ever.

   Modern code libraries are spectacular.

   I really don't know the nuts-and-bolts nuances of how
   servers work - but cut-n-paste a demo, enhance it with
   a few lines, and it Just Works ... thanks to all those
   libraries that hide mountains of clever code. You can
   write a basic web server in Python in about ten lines
   now - I did recently, a few tweaks and it now has
   several pages of useful info about my whole system.

   TCP/UDP ... not much more complicated. Wrote a little
   UDP client/server combo a couple of weeks ago just
   for the hell of it - either side can send data async
   at any time and all clients see what's being sent and
   received by all others, sort of a 'chatroom' setup.
   About 50 core lines of code thanks to those <*.h> files.
   This week it's a pre-threaded TCP client/server that
   can do about the same (but more reliably and can ID
   individual clients). It'll replace the forking server
   I assembled a couple of years ago. I'll find other ways
   to use them. (I don't care for forks/pipes, threads
   offer global vars/structs all threads can easily use
   (but some will require mutex)).

   I can tell you the basics of how an Otto automobile
   engine is made - but I don't know the metallurgy or
   casting/machining details that make it real. Yer doc
   can order-up an X-Ray, but ask how to build an
   actual X-Ray machine or the film/sensors that record
   the images. This has become the Usual Thing these days.
   We USE it, but don't REALLY know all about how it
   actually works. As "AI" gets ever more involved at
   every stage ... we're REALLY lost. It's sort of a
   house of cards ... abstractions built upon abstractions
   until nobody's sure what holds it all up.

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Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 11:20 +0100
  Re: Linux on a small memory PC Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> - 2022-07-07 12:47 +0200
    Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 12:00 +0100
    Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-07 10:52 -0400
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 16:52 +0100
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC Robert Heller <heller@deepsoft.com> - 2022-07-07 11:50 -0500
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-07 14:51 -0400
            Re: Linux on a small memory PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 22:07 +0100
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 09:50 +0100
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 10:12 +0100
            Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 09:48 +0100
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-08 14:04 -0400
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 19:35 +0100
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-08 15:54 -0400
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-08 10:27 +0100
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-18 23:59 -0400
  Re: Linux on a small memory PC Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-07-07 13:49 +0200
    Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-07 14:00 +0100
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> - 2022-07-07 11:12 -0400
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-07-08 09:15 +1000
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-08 09:56 +0100
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2022-07-09 09:41 +1000
            Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-09 01:30 -0400
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-07-09 09:09 +0200
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-09 11:42 -0400
              Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-09 10:00 +0100
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-09 11:54 -0400
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-09 17:12 +0100
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-10 00:41 -0400
                Re: Linux on a small memory PC The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-10 10:58 +0100
      Re: Linux on a small memory PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-08 01:50 +0000
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-07 21:57 -0400
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> - 2022-07-08 09:50 +0200
        Re: Linux on a small memory PC doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2022-07-08 14:18 +0000
          Re: Linux on a small memory PC Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> - 2022-07-08 23:05 +0000
  Re: Linux on a small memory PC "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-07 21:15 -0400

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