Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy,sci.physics Subject: Re: I think in FORTH & program in C/C++. Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2021 11:43:00 -0600 Lines: 53 Message-ID: References: <54uelg9k8mc6kv7s5k7qadk8kg8kjm1ni9@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net 7bcXz8Pz8P7RvQPMY5PSIgfjXiKn+abM/Kj3/Tr9AyU2Yu2WWQ Cancel-Lock: sha1:+c1RQ2LjMxtAJjAO0g2g1L1aGfs= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.6.0 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.setup:4594 comp.os.linux.advocacy:595086 sci.physics:833503 On 10/02/2021 02:00 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 01/10/2021 22:55, Clutterfreak wrote: >> On 10/1/2021 4:15 PM, chrisv wrote: >>> Kooky beyond belief. >> >> >> It carries the touch of his character :) Or he's just playing with >> such stuff. I doubt he could do that as part of his job unless people >> he worked for didn't know anything about computers. >> >> I wrote those Excel programs for a huge Chinese multinational >> electronics and computer company (its U.S. branch). A score of people >> there, mostly Chinese (and a few Malaysians), were expert programmers. >> But my job was in the warehouse and none of those programmers dealt >> with warehouse issues. On the other hand the company didn't want any >> software get direct programmatic access to their database in China >> which served _all_ those companies around the globe. So they wouldn't >> let us use SAP programmatically. >> >> After some push and pull they agreed that I emulate our own warehouse >> (three very large buildings) in Excel and do everything, the whole >> inventory control locally. This meant rewriting at least 10 or 15 >> different SAP programs from scratch in VBA! It was crazy and felt like >> abuse and torture but they offered me in return very good pay, and >> they sure benefited from that decision immensely, certainly seen in >> our own branch but by all probability utilizing them in every other >> branch in the world as well. >> >> What I had at my disposal were smart secretaries, not programmers. >> They were the ones to use them and even modify them later. So a >> "Jeff-Relff" style would get a kick in the ass by plant manager before >> first week of it was over. He'd be history. >> >> > When my girlfriend of the time took a COBOL course, it was impressed on > her that the really important stuff was analysing the business and > writing the specification for the data structure and the program modules. > > Pure programmers who just turned specs into COBOL were only one step > above plant life. > > 'Anal Progs' were the next step up. But business analysts were the dog's > pyjamas. > > I remember all those gradations in big enterprises. I just call myself a programmer unless I'm dealing with a third party. It's like when my brother became VP of a large aerospace company. He said it was no big deal but the people he had to interact with were impressed if they were talking to a VP.