Path: csiph.com!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Spiros Bousbouras Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.security Subject: Re: Adding Secure Passwords to Linux Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:33:49 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <20220729083657.53e8c00e@8200cmt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2023 13:33:49 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="3578e741a720aa99ba7018b3a239731e"; logging-data="3294453"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18WtRIeRNqV04mm3fdanyb6" Cancel-Lock: sha1:M8PrnURx15nlGV890RK1BRogMqc= X-Server-Commands: nowebcancel In-Reply-To: X-Organisation: Weyland-Yutani Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.security:768 On 12 Jun 2023 12:35:50 GMT Allodoxaphobia wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 10:30:40 -0000 (UTC), Spiros Bousbouras wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 08:36:57 +0200 > > Marco Moock wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 11:25:49 -0700 (PDT) > >> John Savard wrote: > >> > >> > I just encountered an article saying that, since today's GPUs are so > >> > powerful, there's no such thing as a secure password any more. > >> > >> I depends on the length. Longer passwords are better. The process of > >> cracking passwords when a hash table is available, even if salted, is > >> decreasing because GPUs become faster and this process can easily be > >> split on many machines. > >> There are some steps that can increase the time: > >> > >> Longer passwords (The amount of time needed increases exponential with > >> the length of the pw) > > > > Assume that an attacker can test 10**12 passwords per second. > > What internet-facing firewall would entertain 10**12 password attemps > per second?!?! That's besides the point. The posts I quoted address the issue of whether GPUs are so powerful that you can't create a password of reasonable length which cannot be cracked through brute force. I provided a simple calculation which suggests that , even with an attacker with extraordinary computing power available , a password with only 16 characters would be safe. -- vlaho.ninja/prog