Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "J.O. Aho" Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.networking,microsoft.public.internet.mail,comp.mail.misc Subject: Re: Re (2): MailServer econ101 Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:55:57 +0100 Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <2lnu9850m3eni3ad4qnu4d1qr3mnonv066@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: individual.net /o2p03V2zFzkjRnebCeSugLAihA+c5qxeL6BBGyAOWSZppfZ7YNjYb9TdJmJwbUBjd Cancel-Lock: sha1:CJFL0z1/F7lvOlXI5jbw12XZgVk= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121103 Firefox/16.0 SeaMonkey/2.13.2 In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.networking:1811 comp.mail.misc:356 Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com wrote: > In article <2lnu9850m3eni3ad4qnu4d1qr3mnonv066@4ax.com>, Steve Baker wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 Nov 2012 06:05:45 +0000 (UTC), Avoid9Pdf@gmail.com wrote: > IIRC my querys to these forums have shown several logs of > my telnet-to-smtp, and no one suggested any improvements. The improvement is a mail client of some kind, telnet is used to see the output (or lack of) from the mail server, this can help you to figure out if the issue is in your client or in the mail server itself. >> You have no other options? There >> must be a more appropriate group to complain about ISP monopoly. > No it's not ISPs that have a monopoly, it's Micro$loth MailChannels checked 400000 domains and their mail server software and microsoft has kind of around 7.6% of the market share on mail server software, still sendmail is the most popular with a market share over 12%. If your ISP likes to use microsoft products for their infrastructure, then you have a few options: - Live with it - Change ISP - Get mail service from someone else > What better group would you suggest handles subtle email problems? If you are connecting to a microsoft based mail server, then maybe an usergroup which handles microsofts server products, or/and else the client softwares support forum. -- //Aho