Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The First 8 Commands Every New User Should Learn Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2025 12:41:16 +0100 Lines: 70 Message-ID: References: <10egfns$mkr3$1@dont-email.me> <10ekkb3$1pge1$7@dont-email.me> <8v31ulx7mn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10ekt26$1shhj$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net jOSJPsFYsYOM84sw7YMxMwfrbuoQVlJGw7jPIB8mAXh9FtMO6Y X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:2XIWXrNQji3ABzd5P0apCwMkXgg= sha256:SD3MuUNWD8RnPLMf9zciIaoAmfXK3TyfYJWRJ7eN++U= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:77100 On 2025-11-08 02:59, c186282 wrote: > On 11/7/25 09:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-11-07 14:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> On 07/11/2025 12:06, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-11-07 12:14, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> On 06/11/2025 18:51, rbowman wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 6 Nov 2025 13:55:52 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> echo $PAGER less cer@Telcontar:~/tmp/nntp> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's the distro doing. openSUSE. >>>>>> >>>>>> Odd.  Fedora, Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi OS, and EndeavourOS don't set >>>>>> it. I >>>>>> have set it in my .bashrc but I can't remember why. slrn? >>>>> >>>>> Not may people use the terminal these days and the ones that do are >>>>> quite capabable of setting it themselves >>>> >>>> open(SUSE) has killed in the new release Leap 16.0 its traditional >>>> setup tool , YAST (yet another setup tool), which means that home >>>> admins have to do things like adding a user in the CLI, instead of >>>> with the mouse and filling a form. >>>> >>> Arguably most desktops are single user anyway. >>> >> >> That was just an example, YaST does a myriad of setup things. Like, >> for example, setting up a printer or a scanner, or the sound, or >> keyboard layout. There are modules to setup a mail server, DNS server, >> FTP server, HTTP server, NFS Server/client, etc etc. > >   YAST is very good ... and helpful. Apparently though >   it's become something of a 'web app' in the latest >   incarnation ... doesn't bode well. Likely the last >   old grey maintainer retired ... YaST tried to add a web interface some years ago, but it failed. It has a text mode interface, a QT interface, and for some time a GTK interface. On 16.0 it is available, but not maintained. > >   Started Linux with Slack, RH and SUSE back in the old >   days - CDs bought in retail stores. Saw the potential >   immediately and stuck with it. Of the group SUSE, now >   OpenSUSE, was the Cadillac distro. YAST made a lot of >   things MUCH easier/smarter. Geez ... ever set up a >   softraid array using the CL ? Horrible ! Takes all >   day. YAST not only lets you configure in minutes but >   also offers good advice on the more sneaky params. > >   My main concern with OpenSUSE is its dependence on >   the RHEL libraries ... because RHEL is now basically >   owned entirely by IBM, commercial. CentOS is in the >   same leaky boat and more and more options seem to >   be $$$-only now. No, openSUSE pulls directly from upstream. It is possible that some problems get the same solution than RH, but this is not a given. > >   I'll stick to Deb derivs for now. Arch stuff isn't >   bad either, but a somewhat different way of thinking. > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;