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Subject: Re: What programs do you make sure are installed on a new Linux
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote at 11:56 this Friday (GMT):
> On 19/07/2024 10:57, Borax Man wrote:
>> On 2024-07-16, Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>> On 2024-07-15, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jul 2024 22:38 +0100 (BST), John Dallman wrote:
>>>>>> ldo@nz.invalid (Lawrence D'Oliveiro) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> But it is fundamental in Windows, is it not, that every process has
>>>>>>> a GUI. Unless it is a _service_, which runs in the background, and
>>>>>>> is managed separately.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it is not. "Console applications" run with stdin, stdout & stderr,
>>>>>> rather like traditional Unix programs. They can also have character
>>>>>> graphics UIs, in terminal windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> So why do Python scripts, for example, have to come in two varieties on
>>>>> Windows, with different extensions “.PY” versus “.PYW”?
>>>>
>>>> Windows definately does do "console" applications.  What is missing, is
>>>> the ability to run a console application without the GUI running itself,
>>>> but the standard C "Hello world" program does run on Windows
>>>
>>> I’m not sure what you mean by “the GUI running itself”. Windows
>>> executables either use the CUI (console) or GUI subsystem, and this is
>>> represented by a field in the PE file header, rather than being a
>>> behavior of the application after it starts.
>>>
>>> CUI subsystem applications always run within a console, either inherited
>>> from the parent process, or created automatically if there isn’t one to
>>> inherit. GUI subsystem applications don’t normally get one (but can
>>> create one). Presumably a GUI subsystem application doesn’t have to open
>>> any Window at all if it doesn’t want to.
>>>
>>> In Python the .py vs .pyw distinction presumably allows file
>>> associations to a CUI subsystem version of the interpreter and a GUI
>>> subsystem version of the interpreter.
>>>
>>> References:
>>> * https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20090101-00/?p=19643
>>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/console/creation-of-a-console
>>> * https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/winnt/ns-winnt-image_optional_header32
>>>
>> You can run Linux without X or Wayland.  You can run in pure text mode,
>> no graphics at all.  Windows, as far as I can tell, boots into a GUI
>> always.  Am I wrong on that?
>
> I think you can still boot  DOS
>
> And many still do.
>
> A|houigh most of what DOS can do is done better on a raspberry PI PICO 
> or arduino...


I thought DOS was removed from Windows starting in Windows ME..
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