Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Robert Riches Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Kewl. Common Desktop Environment 2.5.3 Released Date: 15 Dec 2025 01:14:22 GMT Organization: none-at-all Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <187f87f9767214b8$43779$4031116$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <10habf6$15qla$1@dont-email.me> <10hbl09$1di3b$22@dont-email.me> <10hnkn2$1hel9$4@dont-email.me> <10hnlms$1hel9$7@dont-email.me> Reply-To: spamtrap42@jacob21819.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net P9yPouTAtmrEgLm2/i2GSAPih1E1Jr5jUW7f2vSrlNRqwvVXAr Cancel-Lock: sha1:6kydSICg6FbWJc58kGVFNuAY5TE= sha256:+AvhHdedCqvdmcU001mk/j/WtVHvVBnbYxdBXLyTKes= User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:79115 On 2025-12-15, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On 15 Dec 2025 00:41:17 GMT, Robert Riches wrote: > >> If by that you mean that Linux has more-or-less unified the >> mainstream, I'll wait to pass judgement until I see how much damage >> the systemd Trojan horse and Wayla[ni]d do. > > I don’t know why you see them as causing “damage”. People only use > them because they are better than the alternatives -- and those who > disagree continue to use something else. For systemd, by "damage" I mean the first test VM I did with (IIRC) Mageia 2 where the freshly installed system hung during boot, then after several minutes systemd timed out everything, and the system came up on a zombie-like state. Some of the RAIDs had assembled, but some had not. The default package list had not installed the tool necessary to decrypt the binary journal. I also mean the many reports of legitimate bug reports being summarily closed as "will not fix". Devuan works quite nicely for me. For Wayla[ni]d, I mean the reported throwing of network transparency (and perhaps other important use cases) out with the bathwater and some credible-sounding reports that it is not now and will probably never be ready for prime time. > Linux is all about choice. Fully agree! -- Robert Riches spamtrap42@jacob21819.net (Yes, that is one of my email addresses.)