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Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo

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On 10/6/24 6:58 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> 186282@ud0s4.net <186283@ud0s4.net> wrote:
>> On 9/24/24 3:04 PM, Lester Thorpe wrote:
>>> On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 02:45:16 -0400, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Me, I'd rather use 'C' ... which was a brand new
>>>> language when I got into computers - it was the
>>>> Cool New Thing on PDP-11s. However the syntax IS,
>>>> and especially can be MADE, a bit obscure. More
>>>> 'obvious', 'self-documenting' langs DO have an
>>>> advantage.
>>>>
>>>
>>> C is just shorthand for assembly, and assembly,
>>> i.e. machine, language is the language to which
>>> EVERYTHING else reduces.
>>>
>>> Yes, C is just shorthand for assembly.  Whenever I
>>> write C code I can always "see" the assembly instructions
>>> that lie beneath every C statement.
>>>
>>> In fact, when it comes to SIMD programming, there are C
>>> functions known as "intrinsics" that allow direct access
>>> to SIMD hardware assembly instruction (e.g. SSE2, AVX).
>>> (These do not exist for any other language.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Conclusion:
>>>
>>> Those who understand the machine use C (assembly) and only
>>> C.
>>>
>>> All dumb-fuck idiots and retards, of which there are hordes
>>> in commercial (i.e. paid) programming, MUST use other "crutch"
>>> languages.
>>
>>
>>    We  'old guys' did a fair amount of ASM back in
>>    the day - microcontrollers, even up to early CP/M
>>    and DOS before there were (affordable) high-level
>>    compilers.
>>
>>    Knew one ultra-geek who wrote clones of popular
>>    video games for C64/PET. He was one of those
>>    'critically intelligent' people - right on the
>>    very edge. Ever see that old Val Kilmer movie
>>    about the genius school ? He was kinda like the
>>    guy who lived inside the walls. He didn't even
>>    do ASM, but wrote in raw 6502 binary. Said it
>>    gave him a buzz ! Watched him do it.
>>
>>    It's very frustrating - being JUST smart enough to
>>    really smell the ultra-IQ, see its possibilities,
>>    but knowing you can never GET there  :-)
>>
>>    I downloaded a copy of the ancient Aztec 'C'
>>    compiler for CP/M-86. Haven't done anything
>>    with it yet. CP/M-86 WILL run on VirtualBox.
>>    Aztec was well-respected back in the day.
>>    The most interesting feature though is the
>>    MANUAL ... very deep into optimization and
>>    smarter bit-field representations and ops.
>>    You do NOT see that anymore. Those people
>>    REALLY knew their product and wanted you to
>>    know ALL the task-specific options.
>>
>>
> 
> I used Aztec C on PC-DOS back in the day. It was the first C compiler I
> ever used.


http://aztecmuseum.ca/compilers.htm

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Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-05 23:51 -0400
  Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-06 06:05 +0000
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-06 06:26 +0000
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-06 18:44 +0000
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-06 23:29 +0000
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2024-10-06 19:59 -0400
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo David Lesher <wb8foz@panix.com> - 2024-10-07 14:42 +0000
      Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-07 16:24 -0400
        Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-11 00:56 -0400
          Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-11 11:01 -0400
  Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-06 15:58 -0700
    Re: Can't Avoid That Shit Rust - Even On Gentoo "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-11 00:53 -0400

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