Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: "Carlos E.R." Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: X11 forks Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2025 09:33:59 +0100 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <10if6e3$kag3$1@dont-email.me> <10igm6l$10hm7$2@dont-email.me> <10igpir$1086g$16@dont-email.me> <20251226090654.00000d42@gmail.com> <10innr9$36osk$1@dont-email.me> <10io80e$3ae14$1@dont-email.me> <10ir1kj$5kc0$1@dont-email.me> <6952385b@news.ausics.net> <6decnco7ib00ps_0nZ2dnZfqn_adnZ2d@giganews.com> <6952f2ea@news.ausics.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net ceGxUTxk1Z8ACRehlCyxbQjgP2RkdpTbR0kw7FFy9QbwAyezXi X-Orig-Path: Telcontar.valinor!not-for-mail Cancel-Lock: sha1:bSxQS3ncGrIXn2l6f+xL6MEYq0w= sha256:NvVN1lh4Y5VcrVspl6LA2UxFA1e0pFBRKIA6X5g+5y8= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: es-ES, en-CA In-Reply-To: <6952f2ea@news.ausics.net> Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:80099 On 2025-12-29 22:30, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: > c186282 wrote: >> On 12/29/25 03:14, Computer Nerd Kev wrote: >>> Nuno Silva wrote: >>>> Ah, still just that one, I'd hope a couple more projects would come >>>> up. >>> >>> I'd hope more wouldn't come up, since it'd only cause compatibility >>> issues, but here's another new one, which sounds like it's not >>> for me: >>> >>> https://git.dec05eba.com/phoenix/about/ >> >> Bear in mind ... do we WANT a bunch of X11, or even >> Wayland, forks ??? >> >> Sometimes a somewhat poor standard is better than >> 20 random 'standards' with different rules/details >> and their OWN problems. >> >> Just sayin' > > Yep, that's what I'm saying too. That project gives a mixed message > about their intentions for compatibility. They say "Replacing the > Xorg server" is a "non-goal", yet they say they're open to > extending the X11 protocol. Which means they'll need their own xlib > library for GUI programs/toolkits to link against, and those > programs/toolkits might at some point no longer build with the Xorg > xlib as well, or even if they do, some distro packages might only > be built for the Pheonix xlib. > > I'd prefer if protocol changes were left off the table at this > point, X11 already has extensions to tick all the major boxes such > as handling OpenGL and video. Wayland is already reinventing the > wheel if that's what you want. My sore point with Wayland is that it doesn't seem to work if the machine doesn't have 3D. > > On the up side, the site did point out this Wayland -> X11 "bridge" > project, which is promising for if/when programs like Firefox drop > X11 support: > > https://git.linuxping.win/12to11/12to11 > -- Cheers, Carlos. ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;