Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Wayland Makes Progress Date: 12 May 2026 01:43:50 GMT Lines: 48 Message-ID: References: <10sv1kk$gjtg$1@dont-email.me> <20260504152020.000053cd@gmail.com> <10tbbff$1nih$5@dont-email.me> <20260505081230.00005ae5@gmail.com> <10tdork$oc5h$3@dont-email.me> <20260505152642.000071fd@gmail.com> <10tef2c$u1ph$1@dont-email.me> <20260506084347.000049fe@gmail.com> <18ad06ee0d21bf57$37606$2332849$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com> <68u6dmx6t3.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 5TKdD67Eub98dqP8FdWLHQayKk7Fh5lstLLphye2/nBxMbABui Cancel-Lock: sha1:y5ZurZomYXHjdpF1aDxGQs4OVLc= sha256:cNrihc/MTsGFFBZc+TMBAvLphG6iUtmAqJfhq8Gaod4= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:86420 On Mon, 11 May 2026 19:48:11 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I am not found of the current installer on Leap 16.0. Many people are > not happy and don't understand why the old one was ditched. It worked, > and we knew its caveats. > > And the thing about not having a default desktop has caught up many > people unawares, even experienced openSUSE users. It is not you. I've noticed when installing a package with zypper it says 'Backend: classic rpmtrans' Searching on that strangely comes up with an archived openSUSE mailing list post by someone named Carlos E. R. :) The answers are a couple of years old and talk about libzypp experimental features. I guess they still are experimental. https://software.opensuse.org/package/rpm says 'There is no official package available for openSUSE Leap 16.0' but rpm, and even 'man rpm' are on the machine. Other than the VM the last time I installed SuSE was 13.2 and I remember the installer being a lot more linear. I also remember it defaulting to btrfs on the boot even though grub apparently couldn't handle it. I reinstalled with ext4 (maybe ext3 at the time) and life was good. I ran 13.2 well past its EOL since people were reporting problems trying to upgrade to Leap 42 and I didn't want to do a fresh install. I guess I'm back in the SuSE camp, at least on the Lenovo. I'll have to start keeping up with what the project is doing. I've seen references to Cockpit but if it's on the machine it's hiding. Wiki actually clarified something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSUSE "YaST was deprecated starting with Leap 16 with the Qt interface removed, however, the ncurses interface is still available to download and use." You must still have the Qt stuff because of upgrading from 15. I'd think they would have went scorched earth rather than recall the '90s. It's been a minute but I don't even remember a ncurses version. I still have the box set from 2002. I wonder if it would install? Most def not UEFI. https://www.suse.com/news/81_i386/