Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: GNU Date: 8 Mar 2026 17:52:48 GMT Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <10o629v$1qssb$1@dont-email.me> <10o6emj$1uql3$5@dont-email.me> <20260303111343.00000572@gmail.com> <20260304080130.000068c7@gmail.com> <10oab0q$39n4f$6@dont-email.me> <10ocqti$4fas$3@dont-email.me> <10od9kg$9cih$1@dont-email.me> <10odne1$d647$1@dont-email.me> <10odnsi$d647$2@dont-email.me> <10odop7$djnv$1@dont-email.me> <10odsq2$er59$1@dont-email.me> <1772787512-12588@newsgrouper.org> <10oeeru$kih0$1@dont-email.me> <10oeiea$lo5g$2@dont-email.me> <6our7mxi9i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10oh35t$1g6or$1@dont-email.me> <10oj5ii$259sl$2@dont-email.me> <10ojna8$2ashr$3@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net OY6WConK4jFvOP0zc07Z8Ad7Xp9XXzLIxnf3Qv8dQAMelN4Lcl Cancel-Lock: sha1:5f8rjmobFMmHctNWeepQc0yVPqQ= sha256:rjshjrWq2iglVIzUL3nEfhHjVCNSSDPJmZd350+YkG0= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:82658 alt.usage.english:1138924 On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 11:42:00 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 08/03/2026 07:39, rbowman wrote: >> On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 07:39:14 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: >> >>> Den 07.03.2026 kl. 23.40 skrev rbowman: >>> >>>>> I have learnt a bit of Spanish in a course of one year, weekly >>>>> sessions. I can't make the rr-sound unless I produce a hurricane of >>>>> air. >>>>> One of my daughters (or both?) can make that sound as quiet as she >>>>> likes, and so can her eldest son. So I don't think that it's so much >>>>> a question of previous language as the genetic abality to move your >>>>> tongue in different ways. But of course, if I had been born in a >>>>> Spanish-speaking country I would have learnt through practise. >>>> >>>> As a kid I had problems with 'th'. I'm still closer to 'dese, dem, >>>> and dose' than some, or Keit rather than Kieth unless I pay >>>> attention. >>> >>> Where did you grow up? When I went to school some of my classmates >>> couldn't pronounce the th-sound. My guess is that few Danes, if any, >>> have that problem today. >> >> Upstate NY. > > Ah. Ok. Isn't that Bronx speak? The really noticeable 'da' was Bronx 60 years ago. Today the Bronx is 8% white so you'd better speak ebonics or Spanish. I don't have the phonetics vocabulary but if I'm paying attention to 'th' the tip of my tongue touches the bottom of my upper teeth, otherwise it's the gum above the teeth and the 'h' gets less attention. If I actually say dese and dose it's another sound entirely.