Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: GNU Date: 8 Mar 2026 17:44:37 GMT Lines: 39 Message-ID: References: <10o629v$1qssb$1@dont-email.me> <10o6emj$1uql3$5@dont-email.me> <20260303111343.00000572@gmail.com> <20260304080130.000068c7@gmail.com> <10oab0q$39n4f$6@dont-email.me> <10ocqti$4fas$3@dont-email.me> <10od9kg$9cih$1@dont-email.me> <10odne1$d647$1@dont-email.me> <10odnsi$d647$2@dont-email.me> <10odop7$djnv$1@dont-email.me> <10odsq2$er59$1@dont-email.me> <1772787512-12588@newsgrouper.org> <10oeeru$kih0$1@dont-email.me> <10oeiea$lo5g$2@dont-email.me> <6our7mxi9i.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10oh35t$1g6or$1@dont-email.me> <10oj5ii$259sl$2@dont-email.me> <10ojb1n$276un$2@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net w+u3Ew3y2++XhSSF0MIOaAvPfRaBbTclxVWbF/c7JA4CbMJK0n Cancel-Lock: sha1:NRZPn0GX/R93JLuL7dwtr7FVZlU= sha256:51URlTUVlJju0M0boWbPe6hJUfZxlwpUCVp8YaZ/HEA= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:82657 alt.usage.english:1138923 On Sun, 8 Mar 2026 09:12:39 +0100, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote: > Den 08.03.2026 kl. 08.39 skrev rbowman: > >>>> As a kid I had problems with 'th'. I'm still closer to 'dese, dem, >>>> and dose' than some, or Keit rather than Kieth unless I pay >>>> attention. > > To the best of my knowledge there are American dialects where that is > standard - Bronx? That was the stereotyped NYC accent. Today the Bronx is about 8% white so the accents would be black and hispanic. Upstate is different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_New_England_English "Western New England English is relatively difficult for most American laypersons and even dialectologists to identify by any "distinct" accent when compared to its popularly recognized neighbors (Eastern New England English, New York City English, and Inland Northern U.S. English), meaning that its accents are typically perceived as unmarked "General American" varieties" 'Upstate' is often used for everything 50 miles from NYC but in the my usage it's the upper Hudson Valley, starting around Albany. I grew up about 20 miles from the Vermont border. The wiki article is accurate. I've had people say "You're from back east, but I can't tell where." Even as a kid in get togethers like Scout jamborees I had people ask me where I was from. For me 'cot' and 'caught' are distinctly different, horse-hoarse and father-bother are the same. I don't know phonetics well enough to understand most of the symbology. Probably the most famous contemporary Vermonter is Bernie Sanders but he is a transplanted NY Jew so he's not representative of the area. I can't think of anyone else from the area that might have a sound clip.