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On Fri, 13 Feb 2026 11:30:12 -0800, John Ames wrote:

> True enough, and it is to some degree a question of taste - but Java
> does, to my mind, strike a particular balance of vices that remind me of
> the main thrust of Kernighan's criticism of Pascal: not only does it
> suffer from misfeatures and frustrations, but it provides no real way to
> work around them from within itself.

I had hopes for Java in the late '90s. 'Java in a Nutshell', 2nd edition 
iirc, was fairly concise. You'd need a damn big nut for the 7th edition. I 
was working with the AVR processors so my 'hello world' project was a 
simple emulator. Not happening in Java. 

AWT wasn't bad but then they introduced Swing. The mantra at the time if 
you were upset at the glacial performance was to get a newer, faster 
machine, Right.

I did like Visual J++, but its relationship to Sun Java was loose, leading 
to Sun shutting it down. It took a while but Microsoft eventually came up 
with C#, which is what Java (and Visual C++) should have been.

We had one Java application that suffered from extensive mission creep 
over the years. I seldom worked on the code and always did with my fingers 
crossed.