Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The Web (HTML) Sux Date: 26 Dec 2025 18:45:11 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <10i7khm$2e0ab$3@dont-email.me> <10i8lit$2ltf1$1@dont-email.me> <10i8u2b$2p3ha$1@dont-email.me> <69487137@news.ausics.net> <20251222135823.000042ea@gmail.com> <10icgk7$3rvck$1@dont-email.me> <20251222144314.000060d0@gmail.com> <10icj90$3snlp$2@dont-email.me> <20251222153725.000058b6@gmail.com> <10icl7j$3t6jc$2@dont-email.me> <10igm2u$10hm7$1@dont-email.me> <10ihdst$1aaqu$9@dont-email.me> <10ii5u3$1hc1p$1@dont-email.me> <10ikcq6$27bdm$1@dont-email.me> <10ilt3o$2kcl3$3@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net bAknVauR+5C1DcaE1zdaxgAvSrjqSBg8YJdpD0+N8MDdTjXmiP Cancel-Lock: sha1:/0zvx90UfCmktgawFX0usVMYVJE= sha256:x9MHnZhK0JvvZPbZ6cBR/GZfIlqHPGVZATSILkTrM2k= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:79876 On Fri, 26 Dec 2025 18:12:00 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2025-12-26, Nuno Silva wrote: > >> On 2025-12-25, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 25 Dec 2025 21:05:10 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: >>> >>>> BTW my first programming job, in 1970, was on a machine with 16K of >>>> memory and nothing but cards (disks and tapes came along later). >>>> Yet somehow we managed to run accounts receivables, payrolls, and >>>> general ledgers for offices all over town. >>> >>> Hardware was expensive back then, and programmers were cheap. >> >> That's not an excuse to stop worrying about performance. >> >> Hardware is still expensive nowadays, it's just that it became a tad >> bit easier to get computing machinery, but it's still something >> expensive that a lot of people on the universe don't have a wallet to >> afford. Others do, but that also doesn't mean they can't criticize lack >> of performance. >> >> Take for example the amazing insistence seen in using 3D effects and >> animations in some UI design. That is at the very least annoying with >> hardware where it runs flawlessly, and easily becomes very degrading >> performance-wise once you walk past that threshold of the few >> combinations where it works well. >> >> >> Discarding the worry because "hardware was expensive back then" is like >> only quoting a small part of that Knuth remark on optimization to >> possibly convey the opposite point (the whole quote is in support of >> optimization, and IIRC merely a criticism of unguided optimization >> efforts (hence the "*premature*".)) > > In three words: Abundance justifies waste. One of the turn-offs of Java for me is when they rolled out Swing rather than the original AWT. When you mentioned your Swing project was slower than a ruptured sloth the answer was 'get a machine with more RAM and a faster processor.' I haven't tried it lately but Java based IDEs like Eclipse were pigs.