Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Shopping carts, baskets, bags... Date: 12 Dec 2025 18:21:28 GMT Lines: 46 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <10gjub3$1934g$2@dont-email.me> <10gmh72$273r2$7@dont-email.me> <10gugbh$19phl$1@dont-email.me> <10gulau$1c5u8$1@dont-email.me> <10h14vm$2caj1$1@dont-email.me> <10h3tc7$3elsi$1@dont-email.me> <10h4eqq$3khj5$1@dont-email.me> <10h4l1m$3mik2$1@dont-email.me> <10h9gr2$tuo4$1@dont-email.me> <10hb0cd$1a5kd$1@dont-email.me> <10hbkqn$1di3b$21@dont-email.me> <10hbo50$1fjnp$8@dont-email.me> <10he27i$237cl$9@dont-email.me> <10hgum8$2r3rh$13@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net KXfB1ZcbMWsc8R8GzAuZRA3dE1fNqwHWjDCzJrSv5QB2S1XGMk Cancel-Lock: sha1:ChA7CNPPZWJtoPMbc62vXzWGgcM= sha256:aoIgUNa/GH5z2+1tgYsKzvgMUORdfJ8+Ip6Ag3HdPQg= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:78940 alt.comp.os.windows-11:28335 On Fri, 12 Dec 2025 11:35:36 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 11/12/2025 22:14, rbowman wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Dec 2025 09:17:38 +0000, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >> >>> Softwood plantations are a major industry in Canada, and in IIRC >>> Norway,. which is where our constructional lumber and pulp paper comes >>> from. >> >> No, Canada cuts down the existing forests. The problem in northern >> forests is it takes up to 100 years to get marketable timber. >> Plantations work in the southeast US where there is plenty of water and >> a longer growing season. >> > Canadian Reforestation That is quite a bit different from a plantation. I hike in areas that were cut over in the '50s and reforested. Some of the clear cut areas never fully recovered. They would leave a couple of seed trees and hope for the best. Other areas are doing better. Going back to the 19th century railroads were given a checkerboard pattern of one square mile sections along their right of way to use for their purposes. Over time the grants fell into private hands and were harvested. In the last 35 years the ownership here has went from Champion to Plum Creek, and finally Weyerhauser. At this time Weyerhauser is mostly in the real estate business selling the tracts off since they see no harvestable lumber in the future. The last lumber mill within 100 miles shut down last year. Along with the dearth of timber from private lands, fewer timber sales on Forest Service lands, and competition from Canada what used to be a major part of the state economy is almost gone. The tariffs on Canadian lumber are too late. Maybe Canada can make reforestation work. The Quebec larch program is interesting. The eastern larch is a scrawny thing that they must have figured out how to pulp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larix_laricina It's rather like the fisheries. After you burn through the cod and halibut you figure out how to use species that used to be cat food. Both the US and Canada started cutting forests in the east and moved west when the trees were gone. It's only very recently that sustainable forestry has become popular.