Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Vehicles Date: 22 Oct 2025 20:14:35 GMT Lines: 40 Message-ID: References: <10cl3np$2q6c4$3@dont-email.me> <10cl8r6$2q6c4$18@dont-email.me> <10crldd$lkb4$1@dont-email.me> <10ctb13$12oei$2@dont-email.me> <10ctrdc$16st9$1@dont-email.me> <10d24n9$2bb83$2@dont-email.me> <10d2dos$2dnk0$3@dont-email.me> <0g8hslxmvj.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net k+31XIvjg2XltcJkgbPgAgmgYkxRJFdtypjDpcP4032EDvTQDe Cancel-Lock: sha1:uDkCOVaasAeOqtehsSflz7Qie7E= sha256:gGeRQ3kgAO4BYlFXU7Y01GAB+cY9L/I4MbYumwLks3o= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:76543 On Wed, 22 Oct 2025 14:21:17 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> I see a lot of ebikes lately. I haven't been into one of the local >>> bike shops recently so I don't know if they're selling them or if it's >>> mail order. The Forest Service and the county have banned them on most >>> single track trails. They are walking a fine line particularly the >>> ones that you couldn't pedal if you wanted to. > > Eum... why? Many of the trails have designated usage, hikers, bicyclists, horses, motorcycles, and quads. Hikers and horses may be permitted but not bicycles or motorcycles for example. I hike in an area that was created by mountain bikers and there are steep downhills that are bike only for safety reasons. So if you have a trail that allows bicycles how do you classify a e-bike that isn't a pedal assist but uses a throttle that doesn't require any pedaling and can do 25 mph? There are some Chinese designs that do a wink and nod. They have pedals but if you tried to use them you'd find your feet hit the frame. The you get to full on electric motorcycles that make no pretense of being a bicycle. https://zeromotorcycles.com/ Rather than dealing with all the nuances coming up with a new icon for the sign at the trail head that means 'no e-bikes' is easier. They are still allowed on the urban paved trails but I don't know how long that will last if there are abuses. There is sort of a feeling among the pedal bike riders that e-bike riders are lazy, low class trash. > The exceptions are electric chairs for impaired people, and some of them > are fast! A friend was a quadriplegic and had one. If we were going someplace together he had to slow down for my sake. It did condition me to be alert for the whining sound e-bikes make.