Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-11,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Nuclear plants. Date: 12 Oct 2025 18:30:16 GMT Lines: 49 Message-ID: References: <10ar9d9$2a86g$1@dont-email.me> <68d1d3e6@news.ausics.net> <10atuhj$2tidd$15@dont-email.me> <68d333e6@news.ausics.net> <8vvdqlxsif.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10b1qqt$3ur87$1@dont-email.me> <10b30vh$5u19$15@dont-email.me> <10b38ru$8o78$1@dont-email.me> <10b3m3n$chkk$1@dont-email.me> <10b3tk2$ekmk$1@dont-email.me> <10b4006$f07a$3@dont-email.me> <90b1ekhq4smsdggtp33lo5t96fs06vi86j@4ax.com> <10bqd7i$2a19s$1@dont-email.me> <8juarlxs1a.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10bvsgf$5fvr$3@dont-email.me> <10c06rc$8ane$1@dont-email.me> <10c0dg7$9vip$1@dont-email.me> <10c0m0j$cf58$1@dont-email.me> <10c2iqa$qofe$4@dont-email.me> <10c5497$1er0a$1@dont-email.me> <10c5dtj$1gn95$2@dont-email.me> <10c66un$1ojat$1@dont-email.me> <10c85o8$2kf2m$1@dont-email.me> <10cehjr$12df6$1@dont-email.me> <10cg3mv$1dscj$9@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net mrEPraz2kQCAyfKyWBH+gQrbgklQFdZs+TDwB4QXRSpjnDZdKI Cancel-Lock: sha1:/XVFFWqcCHLxaedZucDJ3yOgWf4= sha256:7RWN6DiuEk8dYnBlUHpmqteGJAD8uf89Tc+XxdfTiqU= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com alt.comp.os.windows-11:25039 comp.os.linux.misc:76010 On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 12:33:51 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 12/10/2025 02:09, rbowman wrote: >> apropos: theregister.com/2025/10/10/datacenter_coal_power/ >> >> "Climate goals go up in smoke as US datacenters turn to coal >> >> High gas prices and surging AI demand send operators back to the >> dirtiest fuel in the stack" >> >> No problem, we've got you covered OpenAI. >> >> https://www.montanacoalcouncil.org/reserves > > Well coal is dirty and I wouldn't want to reintroduce it without being > sure the stack scrubbers were installed and working. > > And it isn't an option in the UK at scale because we don't have the > cheap coal any more > > It will all be nuclear eventually because northing else is as cheap or > as safe or as low pollution *overall* I think it's vastly amusing. Back in the '70s the US moved from those dirty old 'smokestack industries' that produced tangible goods to a 'service economy' of taking in each other' laundry. Then came bitcoin mining that requires so much energy that even China balked at the increased pollution. Cryptocurrency is too ethereal for me. I never figured out what you can buy with it, and limiting transactions to a few minutes before the value changes seems to be a problem. https://theweek.com/tech/the-noise-of-bitcoin-mining-is-driving-americans- crazy That article doesn't even discuss the source of the energy only the noise pollution caused by 60,000 fans trying to dissipate the heat as the energy more or less goes up in smoke. There is also the costs of the GPU production. iirc gamers were pissed when the miners started buying up high end GPUs rather than using FPGAs. And now we are in the AI world, a technological solution that is still looking for a problem other than generating AI girlfriends. It too sucks down massive amounts of energy to produce a non-tangible 'product'. Welcome to the dark satanic mills v 2.0. Somehow I don't think solar panels and wind turbines are enough to power Joe Sixpack's Tesla, bitcoin wallet, and ChatGPT buddy. I suppose it's way to late to cut the shit and go back to making toasters and other useful stuff.