Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Pickup trucks for city boys Date: 28 Aug 2025 03:02:43 GMT Lines: 38 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <107oprl$1f6pb$4@dont-email.me> <107pm1g$1l5v2$1@dont-email.me> <107rbde$20k71$20@dont-email.me> <107v689$3219t$1@dont-email.me> <1080mev$3fk4r$1@dont-email.me> <1081cin$3kivt$1@dont-email.me> <2W2pQ.10557$uCGc.6020@fx14.iad> <108428t$7mtq$4@dont-email.me> <108aefl$1n7i9$9@dont-email.me> <108hddu$3bl64$2@dont-email.me> <108leod$b9i7$1@dont-email.me> <108nobm$t942$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net H2twyuj5TWmCutrXHv1NggOWiBZEXA3iP43xAhNbUnw9jXgs/S Cancel-Lock: sha1:YRgFxkv7yTunmknp6E9NpJgPwLM= sha256:dmCUyam9yJ5AwNTLe5VarOxwrClhbboxYa/Fj53Ucho= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:72451 alt.comp.os.windows-11:23110 On Wed, 27 Aug 2025 13:04:04 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > You do not transport it to the refueling station but generate hydrogen > at the refueling station using clean electricity to hydrolize water. Hmmm, right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_hydrogen "As of 2021, green hydrogen accounted for less than 0.04% of total hydrogen production. As of 2024, producing green hydrogen costs around 1.5 to six times more than producing hydrogen from fossil fuels without carbon capture. " https://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/index.php/home-hydrogen-fueling-stations/ I don't know if Honda followed through on their home station but then you're back to steam reforming of methane, which tends to produce that evil CO2 stuff. They may or may not be figuring that in. The electrolysis methods probably are less efficient than charging batteries directly. The problem with most green projects is they focus tightly on the final state and ignore all antecedent costs and environmental damage. I would recommend 'Bright Green Lies' by Derrick Jensen and others. It gets a little redundant as he dismantles the various 'green' solutions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_Jensen_(activist) Jensen isn't exactly a right-wing figure although his organization, 'Deep Green Resistance', has pissed off the wokies since he has no use for trannies like the one that shot up a Catholic Church. Zerzan doesn't like him because he's a little too organized to be a true anarchist.