Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11,alt.defense Subject: Re: Submarines [Was: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE] Date: 24 Aug 2025 19:19:59 GMT Lines: 35 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1070cqj$3jkmu$1@dont-email.me> <1071hu3$1idk1$1@news1.tnib.de> <9fjemlxbio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <6jefmlxb6j.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10884l7$173em$1@dont-email.me> <1088lbg$1agt7$1@dont-email.me> <9aadne5uMN4JgTX1nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@giganews.com> <108eovo$2n9v5$14@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net qyvSp4CKSKws4VLoiYrpGADZ9xoQ1TBVThFX94ZlQb6ywmFEud Cancel-Lock: sha1:9bhLhZgbRmt00GBg6NOt2Wla1Ec= sha256:U+tqlOVu+R8pj3M+Q84dDrWBWZkXFbBaYWdHNmgfT2k= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:72177 alt.comp.os.windows-11:22887 On Sun, 24 Aug 2025 11:19:36 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > On 24/08/2025 05:16, rbowman wrote: >> On Sat, 23 Aug 2025 21:15:29 -0000 (UTC), Lars Poulsen wrote: >> >>> - tanks do not to well to take and hold urban and suburban areas >>> because civialian/reserve/guerillas have agility >>> - tanks do well in open farmland, but if forces are close to evenly >>> matched, the game shifts to who has or can ret (by resupply) the >>> most ammunition >> >> You have to know how to fight tanks. They require a long logistical >> tail to keep them running and infantry support as well as running in >> packs. The T-34 wasn't the most advanced design but when you have about >> 80,000 of them... > > You pick them off one at a time.. Many people don't realize or think about it too hard but you can't cram an infinite supply of ammo in a tin can. When a fighter pilot goes winchester he can make a rapid exit. Rapid in a tank is relative. Then there was the problem of getting a tread blown off. Going around in circles isn't productive. Having a limited field of fire has problems too if there are hostile pedestrians. The Germans developed Zimmerit, sort of a Bondo, to plaster on the tanks to discourage magnetic gifts. That didn't do anything for the old fashioned Molotov Cocktail approach. No thanks. No tanks for me. Heemeyer had a pretty good run though, until his creation got stuck. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer