Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Date: 7 Aug 2025 20:09:19 GMT Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <106mke5$1di32$1@dont-email.me> <106ukm1$35g8p$3@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106v67a$1cgol$1@news1.tnib.de> <106vfvv$3bpmd$1@toylet.eternal-september.org> <106vi4r$3c9cr$2@dont-email.me> <3ihcmlx47d.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <1070cqj$3jkmu$1@dont-email.me> <1071hu3$1idk1$1@news1.tnib.de> <9fjemlxbio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net xXWPoeIrwiRmuNMicwLWLgiAte5H8OFlDXyGf5E1B6jw5G6IPz Cancel-Lock: sha1:q3kDf77fiN4OSOiMttH6E4JfBiI= sha256:QkdfGKNa8L7Hr4wceSqSyJ0dKeQhqMnC1FPMiHCCk+4= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:70569 alt.comp.os.windows-11:21768 On Thu, 7 Aug 2025 14:40:41 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote: > I don't know about those, but "real" floppy drives did not have an > actual controller, rather an interface. Nothing smart. The CPU had to > time all operations itself. Notice when the hole marking start of track > passes, read, count sectors, time the write operation... everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Digital_FD1771 I don't know what you consider a 'real' floppy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_Woz_Machine#History almost all contemporary CP/M machines and others used some variant of the WD chip. It could be programmed with a number of options so many incompatible formats sprung up. I had a utility that could read most of them except the hard sector schemes. Years later Woz admitted he more or less didn't have a clue what he was doing but eventually got it to work. In the best Apple tradition nothing but an Apple could read the floppies.