Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: VMS Date: 24 Jul 2025 23:21:54 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <20250625093213.00002ec2@gmail.com> <20250625094418.00007fd2@gmail.com> <105iv02$3cuhr$2@dont-email.me> <20250721091242.00007573@gmail.com> <20250721133148.00007cc6@gmail.com> <105pv2t$77mv$1@dont-email.me> <20250723080407.00004a8a@gmail.com> <105ri4r$ed5t$1@dont-email.me> <20250723142845.000033ee@gmail.com> <105u7qu$1jpjo$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net 3eLq89qntOZhG+TgzLpc1AO8Sb4KRAqdPENHoSB+c3P1yGZIyg Cancel-Lock: sha1:9Z78e4lhxrBbvU0No9943rXdgao= sha256:FUHBVwbN3hyVGrasPVW/JBcxAdyXBO/USb4UWJSi6qk= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:69879 On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 21:16:15 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2025 14:42:56 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_programming > > Seems an apt description of, for example, those who say you must never > write actual SQL code in your programs, always use an ORM or templating > system or something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Object%E2%80%93relational_mapping#Comparison_with_traditional_data_access_techniques I've never used an ORM but I might learn to like it. I've done my share of database programming, both embedded and CLI, and it always seemed like shoveling shit against the tide with a lot of boilerplate to get where you're going particularly when a join won't do the trick.