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On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 21:14:19 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

> On 2025-07-21, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2025 14:44:45 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> They tried to replace the Java language with their own knock off junk
>>> called .NET C# and they were somewhat successful.
>>
>> That was the second attempt.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J++
> 
> This was after Sun caught Microsoft adding proprietary extensions to
> their implementation of Java, in violation of the agreement with Sun
> (embrace, extend, extinguish).  Sun took Microsoft to court and won, and
> the judge gave Microsoft 90 days to either make Windows 98 conform to
> the agreement or pull it off the market.
> Microsoft had no option but to comply - but they lost all interest in
> Java after that.

In Microsoft's defense I believe they were attempting to create a Java 
based alternative for Visual C++/MFC.  The love child of C++ and a wrapper 
on the Win32 API wasn't exactly straight C++. CString and string aren't 
the same thing. C++ didn't help in its early days with the STL and C++ 
Standard Library under development. MS rolled their own classes to fit the 
API. The big difference is C++ is not a proprietary language. It's still a 
work in progress but MSC++ has never fully conformed to ISO C++ but 
neither Bell Labs or anyone else was in a position to sue. 

Charles Petzold more or less wrote THE BOOK on 'Programming Windows' and 
loathed C++. The first 5 editions used C. The 6th, around Windows 8 time 
used C#. In the forward he says C# was how it should have been done in the 
first place. 


> 
> This was around the time when Bill Gates was constantly whining about
> how the U.S. Department of Justice was interfering with Microsoft's
> "right to innovate" - when all the DOJ was doing was stopping them from
> destroying the true innovators.

It would help if it didn't involve two breeds of junkyard dogs. The 
junkyard DNA is very strong in Java.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-oracle-alphabet-trial-idUSKCN0Y726D/

Oracle has been taking heat recently for bumping the cost of its licensed 
Java and MySQL. There is a reason the original MySQL people cut and ran 
when Oracle bought Sun and forked MariaDB.

There is evil and then there is evil. MS is almost becoming reasonable 
after they kicked Ballmer to the curb.

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