Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Date: 7 Jul 2025 20:34:00 GMT Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <102ecnj$2l3qp$3@dont-email.me> <20250612083705.000061fc@gmail.com> <102fi1k$2u1dt$4@dont-email.me> <20250612161731.00003f61@gmail.com> <102funf$3149j$4@dont-email.me> <20250620103703.00004ee7@gmail.com> <1035m0l$u0ib$5@dont-email.me> <20250623142902.00001ef8@gmail.com> <103cqjq$1ip4g$7@dont-email.me> <20250701141023.00003c97@gmail.com> <1041t1s$349i3$3@dont-email.me> <10421sd$35564$4@dont-email.me> <1042qem$3dil1$1@dont-email.me> <1044eug$3p5ha$3@dont-email.me> <104as16$1d2v4$3@dont-email.me> <6868fbb4$0$11443$426a34cc@news.free.fr> <104au7q$1dse1$1@dont-email.me> <20250707094542.000030e6@gmail.com> <104h00d$316tn$1@dont-email.me> <20250707104248.000009ad@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net Eggl/xX8e4cpSEOineLaRwCT3aQNYAoO8Dq8+4sqdqgrqndvlD Cancel-Lock: sha1:IU7VIQAgw/PwYLzNmMk8nXr4smA= sha256:1lwg2hDkDWY8lNHZOUgSTTTZRW8AFPlyZao+q8OTC2g= User-Agent: Pan/0.160 (Toresk; ) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:69466 On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 10:42:48 -0700, John Ames wrote: > On Mon, 7 Jul 2025 18:26:37 +0100 The Natural Philosopher > wrote: > >> Both my laptop and my desktop are ex corporate HP PCs. >> Both run Mint no problem > > Yeah - I don't know when it started or whether "business-line" products > are affected, just what I've seen in the field with small businesses > that invariably buy the cheapest-of-the-cheap off the shelf at Wal-Mart > (and are, invariably, shocked when it's under-specced and an absolute > dog; must be a problem with our software!) In the early 2000s if a site asked what they should buy, the reply was 'Any name brand computers will be fine.' eMachines had about 10% of the market so it was 'name brand'. That didn't work out well. After that we were more specific and preferred brands that started with 'D'. And, yes, the problem was our software, of course. When setting up a Windows Service you list and services that service depends on and the Services Manager takes care of the orderly startup. I don't know how eMachines managed to screw it up but some of our services failed to start because they were fired off before their dependencies like the portmapper. I wound up writing a separate program that essentially looked over the Service Manager's should and fixed the screw ups. Oddly what was 'our problem' only happened on eMachines. We also had problems with HP Kayaks but that was more from Fiorina managing to shove both HP and Compaq into roles outside of their expertise.