Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2025 12:27:25 +0200, Marc Haber
<mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote in <vtt9ee$heug$1@news1.tnib.de>:

> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>Note: the "shutdown" command belongs the package "sysvinit"
>>and probably has been replaced within the junk Systemd that has grabbed
>>the balls of most, but not all (and certainly not mine), GNU/Linux
>>distros.
> 
> Surprisingly, in Debian the shutdown binary is in the systemd-sysv
> package and will thus vanish as soon as we¹ eventually get rid of the
> last init script, but I am pretty sure that shutdown nowadays just
> issues a command to systemd like the appropriate systemctl reboot or
> systemctl halt.
> 
> Unfortunately, systemd doesn't offer a native equivalent to a timed
> shutdown, so one has to do an arcane construct involving systemd-run and
> a transient unit to achive that, but that's just the way things are. Not
> everything around systemd is good.
> 
> That being said, don't feed the troll any more.
> 
> Greetings Marc
> 
> 
> ¹ Debian

Hi Marc,

Just checked the man page for shutdown(8), and it says it was
added to systemd 250.  It supports the timespec and wall parameters,
but I'm not sure how well...

Anyway, I'm running 255 on Linux Mint 22.1, which
seems to have been pulled in from the System76 repo that I use:

$ systemd --version
systemd 255 (255.4-1ubuntu8.6pop0~1742486928~24.04~40a1bd7~dev)
[...]

-- 
-v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti
   OS: Linux 6.14.2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G
   "Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives."

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                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-22 10:03 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-22 11:27 +0200
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-04-22 10:37 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-22 12:13 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-04-22 12:38 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-22 14:29 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-04-23 12:55 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-22 22:49 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-23 19:20 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-24 00:24 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-25 17:50 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:15 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-04-28 07:45 -0700
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-28 20:18 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 12:15 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 18:29 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-29 21:18 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-29 03:02 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-22 18:20 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-22 22:45 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-22 22:46 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 06:29 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-22 22:46 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-22 22:43 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-23 13:35 +0200
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-24 00:23 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:20 +0200
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-25 23:14 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-26 10:32 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-26 17:08 +0100
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 22:56 +0000
                Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-26 22:52 +0000
      Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-18 10:15 +0100
        Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-19 00:06 +0000
  Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-04-18 10:41 +0000
    Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-18 06:17 -0700
    Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-18 15:29 +0200
  Re: Shutdown - 25 Years Later Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-18 19:02 +0000

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