Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: vallor Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Paris : In Rush For Profits, AI Safety Issues Are Ignored Date: 14 Feb 2025 10:30:06 GMT Lines: 67 Message-ID: References: <5cGcnReFBprdLzD6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <563e6d1d-fabb-598e-e500-0bcb847c7009@example.net> <67e55c72-9634-7568-8a35-034bd127c016@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net uqH/uB4sf32FD7WPVDjeKQFAtyTwHH2dxap0oE00vVyymyWk6/ Cancel-Lock: sha1:M10NlnlcLwCUfeCoMy9054Cx9Nw= sha256:/2NKJ2WKDWeCOwLQtvJvb1AIkHHvx6PditpVPbRjgqM= X-Face: +McU)#<-H?9lTb(Th!zR`EpVrp<0)1p5CmPu.kOscy8LRp_\u`:tW;dxPo./(fCl CaKku`)]}.V/"6rISCIDP` User-Agent: Pan/0.161 (Hmm3; dea36dc9; Linux-6.14.0-rc2) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:65520 comp.os.linux.advocacy:685851 On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 09:50:34 +0100, D wrote in <67e55c72-9634-7568-8a35-034bd127c016@example.net>: > On Fri, 14 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: > >> On 2/13/25 4:07 PM, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>> >>>> On 2/13/25 2:10 AM, rbowman wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:58:30 -0500, WokieSux282@ud0s4.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>     Neural networks can likely do "someone in there" even better, >>>>>>     eventually. At the moment LLMs get most of the funding so NNs are a >>>>>>     bit behind the curve. New/better hardware and paradigms are needed >>>>>>     but WILL eventually arrive. >>>>> >>>>> So far there is nobody in there for CNNs. You know all the pieces and >>>>> they >>>>> don't magically start breathing when you put them together. It is true >>>>> the >>>>> whole system is a bit of a black box but it is describable. >>>> >>>> >>>>  Well, I agree about "CNNs"  :-) >>>> >>>>  As for LLMs ... dunno. Get enough stuff going there and >>>>  something very hard, maybe impossible, to distinguish >>>>  from "someone in there" may be realized. Then what do >>>>  we do - ruthlessly pull the plug ? >>> >>> Nope. Volition, will to live, drive, goals are completely missing. The best >>> trick to find out if you're talking with an AI is to write nothing. A human >>> will write "hello" after a few seconds. The AI will just sit there waiting >>> for input. >>> >>> Yes... those things can be hardcoded, but what would make me impressed is >>> when spontaneous behaviour, motivation, will to live emerges on its own, >>> without being hard coded or simulated through logic. >>> >>> Then we're talking AI! >> >> I am not beyond thinking LLMs will eventually, maybe >> kinda soon, exhibit 'conscious', 'self-realized' >> intelligence. The complexity increases apace. At >> SOME point .......... > > I do not things LLMs will reach consciousness, looking at the technology, > training data and how they work. I see them as a potential "language > center" of the brain of a AGI. > >> But how do we KNOW and what do we DO about it ? > > We look at the effects. That's all we can do. > >> Those are the HARD questions. > > Yes! Let me welcome you to alt.philosophy! =) Hard and interesting > questions! There's also comp.ai.philosophy ... -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090 Ti OS: Linux 6.14.0-rc2 Release: Mint 22.1 Mem: 258G "These are only my opinions. You should see my convictions."