Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: GIMP 3.0.0-RC1 Date: 7 Jan 2025 07:42:34 GMT Lines: 52 Message-ID: References: <8b262a1f-507f-ef10-e4d3-a981dca5b7d1@example.net> <036dd555-4c8b-1d1f-9a82-7f60087bd457@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net nHJ1i8CbykDXklmrTI1gTgjfcsxUMpATjebt33CxKEZWnLoiJ8 Cancel-Lock: sha1:eEaYlI/5517zS+TCaBA2gRDW9VA= sha256:WqZtJ6VbCn28ONr2ryXE21AI9Bu22NwZcjEr4otwi0Q= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:63911 On Mon, 6 Jan 2025 22:23:26 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote: > Cardboard ... may not REALLY be a market, just greenie pols trying to > score points. However it might be good for lawn mulch or something > similar. Hmmm ... new house, put a couple inches of ground cardboard > down an then cover it with a few inches of good dirt. Oughtta hold > lots of moisture. Structural uses ... the moment you crease the stuff > it's lost mechanical strength, can't even soak it in glue/resin and > make shelving. Just burn it at a power plant ....... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCPeElrhbIQ https://missoulacountyvoice.com/smurfit-stone-mill-site-cleanup The second link is the local pulp mill which is now a SuperFund site. There was a plan to do something with the area but the settling ponds problem put it on hold. Fish & Game advises people to not eat the fish downstream. Back in the '90s I hauled in cardboard like shown in the video from as far away as Calgary. I also hauled chips a couple of times. That scrap from the sawmill planers. You have to level the load and tarp it which meant wading through the chips like a gerbil. At least they were clean and smelled good. I also hauled the big rolls out, often to another Stone plant in Tracy CA. I don't know what proportion of scrap cardboard, chips, and trees that weren't good enough for the sawmills they used but there is a real market for cardboard. > Styrofoam is a huge bugaboo. High volume with low mass. Can't really > melt it properly. CAN dissolve it in some hydrocarbons and get a kind > of degraded styrene goop, but I'm not sure what that's good for. You can melt polystyrene easily but the the trash is contaminated. In the early '80s I worked for SweetHeart's injection molding operation in Somerville MA. They made consumer foam dinnerware and also McDonald's foam clamshells. The nice thing about thermoplastics versus thermosets is you can reuse the scrap. McDonald's was very picky and specified a particular shade of beige. Getting the right color assumed that there would be a certain amount of scrap that would be ground and recycled. If everything was running perfectly there wouldn't be enough scrap and the clamshells made with virgin crystal styrene weren't the right shade. I think they use pentane for the blowing agent now but back then it was Freon-12, literally in railcar quantities. Damn the ozone layer, full speed ahead. The job had one advantage. Another part of the factory made both sugar and cake ice cream cones. When I was bored, which was most of the time, I would wander over and grab some sugar cones hot off the line.