Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: Joy of this, Joy of that Date: 9 Dec 2024 21:26:24 GMT Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <33442f75-5afe-ce6b-d5b2-19efc78a72d3@example.net> <2c1fb128-258b-7848-e896-3246674d460f@example.net> <2d814efc-b5f8-a1f9-d273-77016cb3cbae@example.net> <9cGcnY0c8c3LA8_6nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@earthlink.com> <84211166-08c2-fd90-bfea-c1203f1d09db@example.net> <7979a16f-a4db-f425-b1da-71544820fd60@example.net> <274396c8-618d-e299-c714-c9b7d338fa0e@example.net> <10b55140-4a56-e34e-2711-f794b05ea940@example.net> <7dfcfe3a-8cca-d219-9135-841b92fa5f67@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net DRa2RsBIfXPooAazcfj6wAQmqcKWQ7qqCIqyBbd0C6L2BBpssL Cancel-Lock: sha1:YP9AFYby0gEt4Wlq69/9ffHdC6g= sha256:X+k+j3NZnI0Gm5Irpqhn1+lSI2Bvzl4PLAPUqcupbXM= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:62049 On Mon, 9 Dec 2024 21:39:04 +0100, D wrote: > On Mon, 9 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: > >> On 08/12/2024 20:50, D wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 8 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>> >>>> On 08/12/2024 10:48, D wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 07/12/2024 21:48, D wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 07/12/2024 16:39, D wrote: >>>>>>>>> So therefore, metaphysics doesn't really exist, except as >>>>>>>>> thought forms to make us feel better (if we need that), in which >>>>>>>>> case it's just a bunch of nice stories. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well you are starting to make clear a completely metaphysical >>>>>>>> position here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you mean by 'really exist' ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With not exist, I mean s an unprovable, ideal reality separate >>>>>>> from the material world. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok like the place where 'natural laws' live? >>>>> >>>>> There is no place where natural laws live, in fact, the laws we know >>>>> is just a process in our brains, describing (and predicting) events. >>>>> They don't live in any dimension. There is no proof of that. >>>> >>>> Isn't 'in your brain' a dimension? >>>> >>>> >>> Nope. It resides safely and securely in the real world and does not >>> have its own dimension where ideal and laws live. >> >> So where does a computer program reside? > > In a simple case, it resides in a computer. https://eater.net/6502 In the first video he uses a modern static 6502 that can single step and an Arduino as a sort of logic analyzer. He uses resistors to tie the data lines either high or low. On a restart the 6502 runs a couple of instructions then jumps to an address to start reading the program. The resistors on the data lines form the bit pattern for a noop. The 6502 dutifully performs a noop, increments the address, and reads the data lines, which are another noop. Rinse and repeat. Where is the program?