Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: 2 Nov 2024 01:04:22 GMT Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> <3RPUO.364883$v8v2.299927@fx18.iad> <6723f0c1@news.ausics.net> <7bd05232-fb70-d3c8-d89a-be9f63d85207@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net Fs0giuNCK+knF6Pbb6VRtgAhL30oa5fMcIDl5msR5bJHghuLs6 Cancel-Lock: sha1:x3/kgCAQ4V4YDTEoJC9JI6znpOU= sha256:k7bAiPDXeBTcRnrjt3f/3Bw3Rw6oO3aLLNIi7wpjQls= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:228394 comp.os.linux.misc:60326 On Fri, 1 Nov 2024 22:34:25 +0100, D wrote: > In summary, the US would have gotten there eventually, but as per my > original statement, relying on Mr. von Braun no doubt accelerated the > research. Yeah eventually. Sometimes it helps to get the information from the horse's mouth. During WWI Germany used Zepplins to attack Britain. They were susceptible to ground fire or being shot down by British aircraft. The answer was a new design called Height Climbers that could operate over 20,000 feet, well above the ceiling of the aircraft of the day. There were problems with the engines and breathing apparatus but overall they were successful. Design decisions had been made to allow them to operate at that altitude. The Allies managed to capture L-49 and the US made several attempts based on the L-49. The first was the ZR-1 Shenandoah. It worked for a while before breaking up in a squall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Shenandoah_(ZR-1) ZR-2 started as a British R.38 class. It didn't end well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R38-class_airship ZR-3, the USS Los Angeles, managed to retire in on piece. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Los_Angeles_(ZR-3) ZRS-4, the USS Akron, was destroyed in a thunderstorm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Akron ZRS-5, the USS Macon, broike up off Point Sur. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Macon_(ZRS-5) There wasn't a ZRS-6. The Navy had had enough. Many think most of the problems came from copying an ultralight design that wasn't meant to be durable. Even when they brought in German engineers they may have not been very forthcoming considering the screwing Germany got a Versailles. fwiw, Howard Hughes' 'Hell's Angels' features a Zepplin and aircraft duel. At one point when the Zepplin captain is trying to gain altitude and has jettisoned everything the crew lines up and jumps for the good of the Fatherland. No CGI in that movie, just a few dead stunt pilots and a lot of crashed planes.