Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: 31 Oct 2024 00:06:33 GMT Lines: 17 Message-ID: References: <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net FBh2hgVRiOfORoUdOqmclwwJRH19KGz0bLOzmiagaFgtzpsH7M Cancel-Lock: sha1:kzbCHI3YIR9gBaIaf30iVK5S7Vw= sha256:5HdbsGdcfz49YT8UMp+B1hKX9v/Z7Bms4J03Qy+ETM4= User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:228334 comp.os.linux.misc:60255 On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:33:25 +0100, D wrote: > But as we've done in the past, we learn the lessons, start again. End of > civilization? Hardly. A bump in the road, definitely. I haven't read Tainter but I have visited most the the Chaco culture sites in the US SW. Chaco Canyon is particularly impressive, in the size of the primary site and the network of roads to the outliers. The roads are enigmatic. There is no evidence the Ansazi used the wheel although there are children's pull toys that show they understood the concept. The culture is gone. The same can be said for the Mound Builders in the eastern US. You might say civilization was alive and well in contemporary Europe, but it was vanishing in the Americas about a millennium ago. He was a one trick pony but Miller's 'A Canticle for Leibowitz' os the more likely account of the future.