Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!border-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!Xl.tags.giganews.com!local-1.nntp.ord.giganews.com!nntp.earthlink.com!news.earthlink.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2024 03:59:49 +0000 Subject: Re: The joy of Democracy Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc References: <851708060.749423067.699188.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> <713621693.749610105.279918.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> From: "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> Organization: wokiesux Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2024 23:59:49 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: Lines: 31 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 99.101.150.97 X-Trace: sv3-fx6YTUinoyTKVSZL0Vq6cgykshRd4W9yQow2333ErALOsOin1BmMSC4lKb2AJQhsQlx00w1/eOPYreg!Ppdp4HVE3y2zsSx/kZkVY/NyGH1cat4UfIUghbH6af7ukUGLRkh6fo4pbnK8pO1BnQrFLpiHFTjB!NuUyRe+wKbDxG2X6CLB/ X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:227633 comp.os.linux.misc:59169 On 10/5/24 4:07 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On 5 Oct 2024 07:03:07 GMT, rbowman wrote: > >> On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 06:22:02 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> >>> I would describe your system as “soft corruption”: it seems like, as >>> long as you cannot directly tie particular dollar campaign >>> contributions to particular votes, anything less than that is perfectly >>> fine. >> >> It used to be cleaner when 'vote early and vote often' was the slogan >> with free shots and beers to keep the voters motivated. > > Putting strict limits on campaign spending would be a good start. They WILL put work-arounds, loopholes and cheats into any such laws. Politics and honesty/integrity have NOTHING in common. Such laws only amplify the influence of a more elite Elite. The old "free beer & BBQ" elections though, they DID have a certain charm :-) I remember when George Wallace came thru town trying to get votes. Not that everyone was for Wallace, but the free beer (even we underaged could sneak some) and BBQ and live music DID have a certain "Americana" aspect that appealed. It was "cultural" - and to any of us geeks who actually read stuff, fully understandable within its context.