Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!i2pn.org!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: D Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc Subject: Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2024 10:20:39 +0100 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: References: <2ItTO.338744$v8v2.95701@fx18.iad> <199392d0-9628-8177-2f3b-35b23a721dd4@example.net> <086607f1-2283-f7fb-ddf9-ac4766b06530@example.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="270720"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="w/4CleFT0XZ6XfSuRJzIySLIA6ECskkHxKUAYDZM66M"; In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 Xref: csiph.com alt.folklore.computers:228345 comp.os.linux.misc:60271 On Thu, 31 Oct 2024, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 18:33:25 +0100, D wrote: > >> But as we've done in the past, we learn the lessons, start again. End of >> civilization? Hardly. A bump in the road, definitely. > > I haven't read Tainter but I have visited most the the Chaco culture sites > in the US SW. Chaco Canyon is particularly impressive, in the size of the > primary site and the network of roads to the outliers. The roads are > enigmatic. There is no evidence the Ansazi used the wheel although there > are children's pull toys that show they understood the concept. > > The culture is gone. The same can be said for the Mound Builders in the > eastern US. You might say civilization was alive and well in contemporary > Europe, but it was vanishing in the Americas about a millennium ago. > > He was a one trick pony but Miller's 'A Canticle for Leibowitz' os the > more likely account of the future. > Besides the difficulty of pinning down culture, yes, end of human civilization, no.